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Layering Changes Idea: Thoughts?

beached · 2019-06-26T11:59:51Z

Lots of issues with layering abuse have been popping up, and there has been lots of talk about whats a better solution. I have also been giving it some thought ans was curious as to what people thought of the proposed solution below: Firstly, I know that all the same issues of layers that exist today will still be in place with this idea. I feel that changing how assignment to, and migration between layers takes place will greatly reduce how noticeable it is, and reduce its ability to be easily abused.I propose a hybrid layering system with a little invisable queing involved.1. There will be a dynamic character 'cutoff level' that dictate which characters are assigned to the 'primary layer'. This level will be calculated via the following method:1a. There will be concurrent 'logged in' snapshot taken every 5 minutes, where the layering system grabs the level of every currently logged in player across all layers for a server. 1b. It will then count the number of characters starting at 60 working backwards to 1, until the count reaches 50% of the primary layers max population.1c. Whichever character level the count stops at is set as the primary layer's cutoff level for the next 5 minutes until the next recalculation.1d. minimum level cuttoff is 20 (Negotiable). 2. Characters over the current cutoff level are assigned to the primary layer on logon, and cannot leave the primary server while their level > primary layer cutoff level. 3. The primary layer will assign additional characters below the cutoff level to the layer dynamically until primary layer population = 50% max layer population. (50% is negotiable)3a. This dynamic assignment will occurr at logon only.3b. As population on the primary layer approaches 50%, it will slow down the assignment of characters that are below the cutoff to the primary layer. Assigning 100% of below cutoff character logons to the primary layer when the layer pop = 0, Assigning 50% of below cutoff character logons to the primary layer when the layer pop = 25% max population, and Assigning 0% of below cutoff characters logons to the primary layer when the layer pop >= 50%+4. When the primary layer hits 80% population cap, the layer will look for appropriet events to reassign sub 'level cutoff' characters off the primary layer to another layer.Note: There is ALWAYS a 30Sec out of combat or post node interaction delay, and if you die from combat, the 30sec counter doesnt start until ressurection. (time length negotiable)Layer Migration events are:4a. taking a flight (instant) 4b. riding a boat (instant when boat rezones)4c. entereing / exiting any instance area (instant) 4d. teleporting/hearth stoning (instant)4d. character's distance from other players is greater than the max view distance for character rendering. (instant if ooc >0s)4d. character's distance from other players is greater than the clients currently set view distance to render other characters. (if over ooc 30s+)4e. Entering a city (remember the ooc 30s+)4f. Dieing in certain areas while not in a party. Such as a city, or x meters away from mob spawn points, etc.4g. Character logs off for 15m+4h.Joining a party of all sub 'level cutoff' characters will have you migrated to the party leaders layer after 30+ secs ooc and are on the same contienent a a party member, or you trigger an instant condition. (so migrate off the primary layer)4i. If a character on the primary layer invites or joins a party on a different layer, all characters not already on the primary layer will move to the primary layer after 30+ secs ooc and are on the same contienent a party member or you trigger an instant condition. (Additional suggestions for reassignment)5. If a logged in character crosses the primary layer cutoff level while logged in and not on the primary layer already, the layering system will look for appropriet events to reassign the character to the primary layer. 6. In the rare event the layer population hits 100% and a character over the current cutoff tries to log on, they are instantly assigned to the next available layer and then treated like an individual who had just leveled up past the level cutoff to be reassigned to the primary layer.7.There is a queing system for both moving onto and off of the primary layer. 7a. If you are below the level cutoff when you enter the primary layer, you will enter a deport queue instantly, your order is based on the /played of all characters for the account. Highest /played bottom of the list, lowest /played top of the list. When population on the primary layer > 90% individuals at the top of the queue will qualify themselves for an "ungracefull" migration, Where all layer migration triggers in #4 will move you, but also Ungracefull conditions in #8.7b. Characters who are not on the primary layer, but over the cutoff level will enter into a queue, prioritizing /played of all characters on the account. Highest /player top of the list, lowest at the bottom. When a spot on the...

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Selexin

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Have recently been watching a lot of this guys content

I used my twitch prime subscription on him, he is very down to earth. I don't often get to catch his streams live, as an Australian, but I do like his content.

Layering has issues, but it is the weapon of choice that Blizzard are utilising for launch, at this point it's about trying to mitigate and fix the main issues and manage the transition to layerless correctly. Hopefully this happens, is there any more recent testing/news on this? I haven't been watching any beta streamers or highlights lately.
You could get these guys to make any MMO and they would produce greatness.

God please yes. Kevin Jordan, Mark Kern, John Staats please get together and make a new MMO :biggrin:

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Posted : 01/07/2019 5:56 pm

Stfuppercut

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I used my twitch prime subscription on him, he is very down to earth. I don't often get to catch his streams live, as an Australian, but I do like his content.

I don't even have a twitch account. I usually watch reuploads on youtube or clips directly from channels... I should probably setup an account and use my amazon prime sub. I've always felt a little too old for twitch being 29, but a lot of new streamers are popping up that seem to be producing real quality content.
Layering has issues, but it is the weapon of choice that Blizzard are utilising for launch, at this point it's about trying to mitigate and fix the main issues and manage the transition to layerless correctly. Hopefully this happens, is there any more recent testing/news on this? I haven't been watching any beta streamers or highlights lately.

Without a doubt. We will be getting layering unfortunately as I think most of us accepted a few months back. I haven't seen any specific information that moves the conversation forward. A lot of chit chat from both camps, fear mongering clips from the anti layering side who often misrepresent phasing and layering and start to screech whenever anything disappears on their screen and then a lot of pro layering from the other side who dont seem to understand the implications the system has.
God please yes. Kevin Jordan, Mark Kern, John Staats please get together and make a new MMO :biggrin:

In our dreams. Hahaha. If I ever win a mega jackpot, I'll do my best to make this happen for the betterment of humanity.

You probably already heard, but Mark is actually working on EM8ER(ember) https://www.em8er.com/
Not a whole lot of information about the project but I am excited to see how it turns out.

edit for description of game from the site: "The battle style of Planetside, with a dash of Monster Hunter. The Gatestriders lost their homeworld. They wandered space, opening gates to unknown worlds, until they finally found one they could reclaim as their own: the planet designated Em-8ER. This icy, yet volcanic planet is rich in resources, perfect for colonizing and crafting a new world. Played as a 1st and 3rd person mecha shooter with fast action, Em-8ER is a co-op game pitting hundreds of players against an invading NPC horde of aliens in a massive war. "

I was super excited about the project when I saw "planetside" mentioned but there has been no confirmation of any PvP in the game. If it has no PvP I probably would not be interested.

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Posted : 01/07/2019 6:05 pm

Selexin

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I've always felt a little too old for twitch being 29

So did I initially, but I think you just have to be selective about your content, and then it's perfectly fine. I use it to basically just watch Esfand and Kevin Jordan. Esfand for more comedy/antics and Kevin Jordan for a laid back down to earth view on the World (of Warcraft).
You probably already heard, but Mark is actually working on EM8ER(ember) https://www.em8er.com/

Yeh after he was on ClassiCast I checked out some of his past and present projects. I never got hugely into the 'Mech' scene, although I would obviously try it out if possible, just to see what kind of game he is looking to create - he seems to be pretty switched on.

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Posted : 01/07/2019 6:23 pm

Tamul Brokenhoof

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Just delete layering.

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Posted : 02/07/2019 4:02 am

Tec

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Just delete layering.

:lol: agreed

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Posted : 02/07/2019 4:24 am

Kaiju

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Just delete layering.

:lol: agreed

Layering will eventually be deleted. It's clear it's in place to avoid PR outrage when 20 realms have to get merged 3 months down the line.

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