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 Erik
(@erik)
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If you go after the pros and cons list you made, Mage obviously comes out at the top.

It's personal preference, we can't make the decision for you.

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Posted : 06/07/2019 3:24 am
(@morbidmike)
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Warriors aren't as bad at levelling as people make them out to be. Personally I think Warriors are better levellers than Rogues, Shaman and Paladins because of Sweeping Strikes, Whirlwind and Cleave. Can't compare to the ease of levelling a Mage though.

Warriors endgame aren't meant to be solo. Warriors are really squishy. Sure Warriors have Plate but they also have terrible mobility. Once you get in combat you'll find it difficult to get out of combat, it'll basically be a damage race to see who can kill who the fastest. Compare that to the toolkit of Mages. Mages are definitely the hardest to kill of all DPS classes in PvP (Warlocks are tankier but also have no mobility so it's not that hard to kill them if they get out of position). Ice Barrier, Mana Shield, Ice Block, Blink, Polymorph, some slows and Frost Nova. Skilled mages are extremely hard to kill and I think you really underestimate the survivability of Mages.

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Posted : 06/07/2019 4:36 am
(@stfuppercut)
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Warriors aren't as bad at levelling as people make them out to be. Personally I think Warriors are better levellers than Rogues, Shaman and Paladins because of Sweeping Strikes, Whirlwind and Cleave. Can't compare to the ease of levelling a Mage though.

Warriors are the worst class to level. For many many many reasons. But lets directly compare a rogue and a warrior. The rogue and warrior have similar kill capacity and downtime. So why is warrior worse? Warrior has major cooldowns, cooldowns that can still fail to keep it alive in a pinch. The rogue? The rogue has TONS of minor cooldowns, each have a way to stall a fight, to avoid a fight or to simply reset the fight. The rogue also has stealth. Stealth allows the rogue to avoid a lot of mobs and work around mobs to an objective, saving valuable minutes while leveling. In PvP, the rogue performs FAR better in low level PvP than a warrior does and requires less gear to be lethal. The rogue can also rez and stealth to avoid being camped by players.

In most circumstances where a warrior will need to flee, he must hamstring/piercing howl the mob/mobs and try to reset the fight. This is their escape plan. In most PvP engagements, they will lose against equally skilled players. Rogue has stealth, he can choose his PvP encounters. In PvE he has gouge, sprint, blind, sap, kidney+run, vanish, crip posion - SO many options to prevent death.

I always think its funny when people try to downplay the difficulty of leveling a warrior... No one here is saying that leveling a warrior is equivalent to darksouls, but it is unarguably the worst class to level. In contrast to every other class in WoW, warrior is the worst, to say otherwise is a bit silly.

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Posted : 06/07/2019 1:00 pm
(@morbidmike)
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Warriors are the worst class to level. ...
I always think its funny when people try to downplay the difficulty of leveling a warrior... No one here is saying that leveling a warrior is equivalent to darksouls, but it is unarguably the worst class to level. In contrast to every other class in WoW, warrior is the worst, to say otherwise is a bit silly.

I've levelled 3 Rogues 1-60 and 2 Warriors (on 1x realms obviously). My /played record with Rogue is 5 days 23 hours, my /played record with Warrior is 5 days 9 hours.
The reason is simple, Warriors have a way better kill speed if you take Sweeping Strikes @ 30 and know how to manage rage. As a Rogue you're stuck damaging 1 mob at a time whenever Blade Furry is on cooldown. As a Warrior you can kill 2 mobs at the same time every second pull. And the best thing is when you're killing those 2 mobs you're killing them faster than you would kill 1 mob because you get more rage (from 2 mobs hitting you) and more damage (from Sweeping Strikes + Cleave/Whirlwind additional hits).
Problem is people try to go and quest with a Warrior. Warriors suck at questing. Ditch questing @ level 30 (Sweeping Strikes). Just find a place with melee mobs with low armor, preferably with decent mob density that allow for easy 2 mob pulls, and grind your way to 60.

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Posted : 06/07/2019 2:26 pm
(@forsakenone)
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Pick mage, go frost, and watch other warriors succumb to your frigid snares and gloat!

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Posted : 06/07/2019 2:29 pm
(@ninjabomb)
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At least that is the experience I would want to have, if I played again for the very first time.

I agree. Im totally searching for that mmorpg feeling. Like I said before I would like to learn the game and be good at it, because right now it seems like the best option at MMORPG, and its my favorite game genre. I cant stand fortnite, lol, tft... WoW is my main focus, and to fulfill that, I need to roll the perfect class for me. Its the only missing piece right now. I guess Im gonna search for gameplay videos of Tank Warrior, DPS Warriors and Mages... it might help to see more of the practical side of it..
What I also find really interesting, is that most people say that good Tanks become "wanted" and its easier to make friends.
Plus, I also found out that one of my friends is going to play Rogue. Idk if that helps out too.

edit: grammar

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Topic starter Posted : 06/07/2019 5:12 pm
(@stfuppercut)
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Warriors are the worst class to level. ...
I always think its funny when people try to downplay the difficulty of leveling a warrior... No one here is saying that leveling a warrior is equivalent to darksouls, but it is unarguably the worst class to level. In contrast to every other class in WoW, warrior is the worst, to say otherwise is a bit silly.

I've levelled 3 Rogues 1-60 and 2 Warriors (on 1x realms obviously). My /played record with Rogue is 5 days 23 hours, my /played record with Warrior is 5 days 9 hours.
The reason is simple, Warriors have a way better kill speed if you take Sweeping Strikes @ 30 and know how to manage rage. As a Rogue you're stuck damaging 1 mob at a time whenever Blade Furry is on cooldown. As a Warrior you can kill 2 mobs at the same time every second pull. And the best thing is when you're killing those 2 mobs you're killing them faster than you would kill 1 mob because you get more rage (from 2 mobs hitting you) and more damage (from Sweeping Strikes + Cleave/Whirlwind additional hits).
Problem is people try to go and quest with a Warrior. Warriors suck at questing. Ditch questing @ level 30 (Sweeping Strikes). Just find a place with melee mobs with low armor, preferably with decent mob density that allow for easy 2 mob pulls, and grind your way to 60.

Thats fair. This is anecdotal though. Warriors are far slower for the average user. And for someone inexperienced, they will die FAR more often. As I said before, the kill capacity is similar for both classes. Warriors are much the same/ a bit slower until they get sweeping strikes (level 30). Even then they are far more susceptible to dying in PvE and PvP. The class itself takes a lot more experience to use.

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Posted : 06/07/2019 6:00 pm
(@ninjabomb)
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Which Races are BIS for Warrior Tanks? (for both Horde and Alliance)

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Topic starter Posted : 06/07/2019 10:59 pm
 Tec
(@tec)
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Which Races are BIS for Warrior Tanks? (for both Horde and Alliance)

Alliance:
Human since they have https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20597/sword-specialization . Swords end up being some of, if not the best tanking weapons you can use throughout vanilla.
Weapon skill is just too good.

Horde:
I would say Orc, simply due to https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20574/axe-specialization and https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20572/blood-fury but unlike the https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20597/sword-specialization axes are never BIS for tanking I believe which also leaves you with Troll as a viable option due to https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=26296/berserking which gives you an ability to gain mass amounts of threat pretty fast.
A lot of people also like Tauren for their increased health pool.

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Posted : 06/07/2019 11:23 pm
(@rinkusan)
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At least that is the experience I would want to have, if I played again for the very first time.

I agree. Im totally searching for that mmorpg feeling. Like I said before I would like to learn the game and be good at it, because right now it seems like the best option at MMORPG, and its my favorite game genre. I cant stand fortnite, lol, tft... WoW is my main focus, and to fulfill that, I need to roll the perfect class for me. Its the only missing piece right now. I guess Im gonna search for gameplay videos of Tank Warrior, DPS Warriors and Mages... it might help to see more of the practical side of it..
What I also find really interesting, is that most people say that good Tanks become "wanted" and its easier to make friends.
Plus, I also found out that one of my friends is going to play Rogue. Idk if that helps out too.

edit: grammar

What you could also do is get a client and just play a couple of hours on a private server. There are instant 60 servers, servers with authentic leveling experiences (though not 100% Classic) or servers with increased experience gain rates. :)

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Posted : 07/07/2019 12:40 am
(@snickerwicket)
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Which Races are BIS for Warrior Tanks? (for both Horde and Alliance)

The Race & Class Comparison Tool teebling made can help you see the differences, if you feel like trying out a different race than what people suggest here.

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Posted : 07/07/2019 12:45 am
(@faendor)
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Which Races are BIS for Warrior Tanks? (for both Horde and Alliance)

Alliance
Human for threat generation due to weapon skill with swords and maces
Night Elf for mitigation due to higher agility and extra dodge chance

Horde
Orc for threat generation due to weapon skill with axes, also their racials are very good for pvp or dpsing in pve if you decided to.
Tauren for survivability 5% max HP is big one imo.
Troll for threat generation with Berserking, Orcs are obviously better with tanking axes but Trolls are better with other weapon types like swords (Daggers, Quel'Serrar, Thunderfury etc.).

Increased weapon skill is considered bis for tanking if your guild wants to push for very high dps so you would have easier time holding aggro.

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Posted : 07/07/2019 12:46 am
(@ninjabomb)
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What you could also do is get a client and just play a couple of hours on a private server. There are instant 60 servers, servers with authentic leveling experiences (though not 100% Classic) or servers with increased experience gain rates. :)

I think this might be the best solution.
Could I get banned or something? Because I saw a post on Reddit few weeks ago about blizzard tracking the IP. I got a little bit spooked out about private servers, is it BS?
How can I get to the private servers and which one is the instant 60? I could test some lvl 60 gameplay, it would be awesome indeed!

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Topic starter Posted : 07/07/2019 5:54 am
(@rinkusan)
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What you could also do is get a client and just play a couple of hours on a private server. There are instant 60 servers, servers with authentic leveling experiences (though not 100% Classic) or servers with increased experience gain rates. :)

I think this might be the best solution.
Could I get banned or something? Because I saw a post on Reddit few weeks ago about blizzard tracking the IP. I got a little bit spooked out about private servers, is it BS?
How can I get to the private servers and which one is the instant 60? I could test some lvl 60 gameplay, it would be awesome indeed!

I only know of Lightshope atm, look that up :)

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Posted : 07/07/2019 7:09 am
(@ninjabomb)
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I only know of Lightshope atm, look that up :)

Awesome! Thank a lot =D

I was also trying to remember my class choices on other mmorpgs that I played in the past. Its quite a bit “biased” tbh! haha damn:

Ragnarok: Assassin, Knight and Crusader
Archeage: Darkrunner
BDO: Berserker
GW2: Warrior and Guardian
Tibia: Knight and Paladin
9Dragons: Heavenly Demon and Wu-tang
Neverwinter: Great weapon fighter and Wizard
Cabal online: Blader

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Topic starter Posted : 07/07/2019 7:28 am
(@faendor)
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NinjaBomb Retro WoW is insta 60

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Posted : 07/07/2019 7:53 am
(@cletus)
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Go warrior. There is only so much mage loot to go around....

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Posted : 10/07/2019 8:39 pm
(@lendryn)
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Could I get banned or something? Because I saw a post on Reddit few weeks ago about blizzard tracking the IP. I got a little bit spooked out about private servers, is it BS?

You'll be fine. Private server clients don't communicate with Blizzard servers in any way, and their history of legal action against pservers is always against the owners and not the users.

If you're still paranoid you can connect to them using a VPN.

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Posted : 10/07/2019 10:23 pm
(@faendor)
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They would give up potential subscribers, why would they do that :)

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Posted : 12/07/2019 2:35 am
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