While its not completely unheard of, to cater to 'community MVPs' and the like , because I just remembered this athene speedleveler always got eyed by blizzard and if there was any technical issue his realm it would be fixed very fast, I doubt that exposure of some '100k streamers' is something blizzard needs to cater to.
And following a streamer doesn't have to mean you are that biggest fan creep who want's to share everything with your idol. So I don't think their realms will be that overpopulated, and they have that much impact to force blizzards hand on that issue. And even if there are strange things happening, it propably won't hit EU server soon, so my realm is save :lol:
Oh god, Athene. I couldn't stand guy's smug attitude. One of the few times I wanted to physically fight an internet personality just to knock them down a peg.
Also, I was on Emerald Dream while a few bug time alliance streamers were on there and it kind of sucked ass. I'm hoping they fuck off to wherever after a month or so like a few other people have said.
The benefits of playing on an Oceanic Server :)
There is nothing special about video game streamers. They should not be getting any special treatment, regardless of the 'exposure' they provide video game developers.
Soda also brought up a method of him getting to level 10 as players will grief him during his leveling experience and that was to have/pay a few players to roll L1 hunters and mob-tag all the way to level 10 at least so at least he's thinking of ways to deal with these issues himself.
Also, out of curiosity, does anyone think this is okay for a person to do? Pay a few players to mob-tag for him? Really?
Soda also brought up a method of him getting to level 10 as players will grief him during his leveling experience and that was to have/pay a few players to roll L1 hunters and mob-tag all the way to level 10 at least so at least he's thinking of ways to deal with these issues himself.
Also, out of curiosity, does anyone think this is okay for a person to do? Pay a few players to mob-tag for him? Really?
No, definitely not. In fact, as far as I can tell this would conflict with Blizzard's End User License Agreement, as it could count as cheating. I'm not too strong on legal stuff, though, so feel free to correct me.
No, definitely not. In fact, as far as I can tell this would conflict with Blizzard's End User License Agreement, as it could count as cheating. I'm not too strong on legal stuff, though, so feel free to correct me.
They are not really specific like always:
Cheating: Create, use, offer, promote, advertise, make available and/or distribute the following or assist therein:
cheats; i.e. methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods;
bots; i.e. any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that allows the automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game;
hacks; i.e. accessing or modifying the software of the Platform in any manner not expressly authorized by Blizzard; and/or
any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that can be used in connection with the Platform and/or any component or feature thereof which changes and/or facilitates the gameplay or other functionality;
there is also one for Duping but i think it is not really forbidden because if i remember correctly Athene used mob tagging to achieve World first and some Server first.
Edit:
The Terms of Service has the same Wording with some additions
Any behaviour that endangers the gaming experience of other players.
Modifying, or causing the modification of any files that are a part of a Game installation.
Allowing any third person (except for a minor for whom you opened the Account) to play on your Account including, but not limited to, using so-called “power levelling services,” i.e. paying a third person for playing on your Account.
Playing on the Account of a third person including, but not limited to, providing so-called “power levelling services”.
For World of Warcraft specifically, allowing players who are playing characters aligned with the “Alliance” faction to chat or otherwise communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the “Horde” faction, or vice versa.
Those are not the full TOS i just copy pasted the things that could be used against you.
They have also a Anti Cheat agreement but it is more about 3rd party programms and hacks
Soda also brought up a method of him getting to level 10 as players will grief him during his leveling experience and that was to have/pay a few players to roll L1 hunters and mob-tag all the way to level 10 at least so at least he's thinking of ways to deal with these issues himself.
Also, out of curiosity, does anyone think this is okay for a person to do? Pay a few players to mob-tag for him? Really?
No, definitely not. In fact, as far as I can tell this would conflict with Blizzard's End User License Agreement, as it could count as cheating. I'm not too strong on legal stuff, though, so feel free to correct me.
I'm not sure if it's about it being "legal" but I definitely think that if it's against the ToS, he's getting banned for it.
Speaking of which, can you imagine the shitshow if streamers got bans in the first days of classic for breaking the Tos? Glorious.
I’m sure when the time comes, someone will have a streamer list on which realm they’re playing on. Just hoping I pick well lol
They are not really specific like always ...
Yes exactly, it's a bit vaguely defined, that's why I'm not really sure about it. The part that stands out to me, though, is this:
... granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods ...
Paying others to mob tag for you would be considered an advantage over other players, wouldn't you think?
But if Athene has used this previously it might not be considered an issue by Blizzard.
Speaking of which, can you imagine the shitshow if streamers got bans in the first days of classic for breaking the Tos? Glorious.
As much of a nightmare that would be for Blizzard to sort out, it would be pretty hilarious :biggrin:
It wouldn't hurt for those streamers to learn some humility lol
IronBrutzler wrote: ↑23 hours ago
They are not really specific like always ...
Yes exactly, it's a bit vaguely defined, that's why I'm not really sure about it. The part that stands out to me, though, is this:
Blizzard Entertainment
... granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods ...
Paying others to mob tag for you would be considered an advantage over other players, wouldn't you think?
But if Athene has used this previously it might not be considered an issue by Blizzard.
Yeah it is the standard because then they have better chances if it would ever go to court.
But if they pay for it, it counts as leveling service what is mentioned in the TOS so they would get a ban.
The thing with athene is that this was way back in TBC and WotLK and blizz was diffrent back then. There were some speedleveler in BFA that used a similiar method but one got banned because of it, so it always depends.
It's just mega interesting how people talk about the influence of the big streamers. We all know what will happen. They play to 60 and then they do 1-2 Innis sometime the Raid and then they play again something else. Apart from that the big streamers become irrelevant in my eyes after they are not the first ones to be on level 60 and equipping. Then completely different pearls appear.
I've met so many interesting and good players in the Private Server time, I'll keep an eye on them!
We all know what will happen. They play to 60 and then they do 1-2 Innis sometime the Raid and then they play again something else
And here you are wrong. There are a lot of Retail WoW streamers like Swifty, Soda, towelliee etc etc that will play this game for a very long time. Even the non WoW streamers like Shroud, athene, timthetatman etc etc will play this game, how long we will see but this will make WoW classic the most watched for weeks if not months.
I like the idea of putting all the streamers and their buddies on the same realm. Quarantine them from the rest of us. Then they can have all streamer perks they want. I really wouldn't care at that point. Just maybe label the realms as PVE-Streamers or PVP-Streamers so the rest of us can avoid them like the plague.
We all know what will happen. They play to 60 and then they do 1-2 Innis sometime the Raid and then they play again something else
And here you are wrong. There are a lot of Retail WoW streamers like Swifty, Soda, towelliee etc etc that will play this game for a very long time. Even the non WoW streamers like Shroud, athene, timthetatman etc etc will play this game, how long we will see but this will make WoW classic the most watched for weeks if not months.
I don't believe in it. All the streamers don't have the passion to love a game like World Of Wacraft Classic for a long time.
There just has to come another game which has a different genre and they will stream it - it's all about money and not about passion.
As I said, people who are really interested in quality content at a high level will not watch such streamers. After 2 days, put level 45+ in your stream description and people who are interested in "fast leveling" will come. And I'd rather have 3 viewers TARGET for me than 20000 spammers messing up my chat because I'm on the front page.
Yeah it is the standard because then they have better chances if it would ever go to court.
But if they pay for it, it counts as leveling service what is mentioned in the TOS so they would get a ban.
The thing with athene is that this was way back in TBC and WotLK and blizz was diffrent back then. There were some speedleveler in BFA that used a similiar method but one got banned because of it, so it always depends.
Yeah, good point. I can definitely imagine that Blizzard has tightened things up since the old days.
But, we'll see what happens when the game finally launches.
We all know what will happen. They play to 60 and then they do 1-2 Innis sometime the Raid and then they play again something else
And here you are wrong. There are a lot of Retail WoW streamers like Swifty, Soda, towelliee etc etc that will play this game for a very long time. Even the non WoW streamers like Shroud, athene, timthetatman etc etc will play this game, how long we will see but this will make WoW classic the most watched for weeks if not months.
I don't believe in it. All the streamers don't have the passion to love a game like World Of Wacraft Classic for a long time.
There just has to come another game which has a different genre and they will stream it - it's all about money and not about passion.
As I said, people who are really interested in quality content at a high level will not watch such streamers. After 2 days, put level 45+ in your stream description and people who are interested in "fast leveling" will come. And I'd rather have 3 viewers TARGET for me than 20000 spammers messing up my chat because I'm on the front page.
Many of the streamers who used to be wow only streamers such as Soda and Swifty are just waiting around playing anything just to have something to do until classic rolls around, Soda seems to be very interested in the Warcraft universe and plays a lot of Warcraft 3 and are avid about the vanilla experience. Though, as you said there are a lot of variety streamers who will jump on the bandwagon just to get the numbers.
I also have the belief that, if a streamer really wants to compete in anyway to reach 60 early on then maybe they shouldn't stream at all (atleast during the first levels) or have a long delay on if they really need the money from the stream else it will be impossible for both themself and everyone around them.
Many of the streamers who used to be wow only streamers such as Soda and Swifty are just waiting around playing anything just to have something to do until classic rolls around, Soda seems to be very interested in the Warcraft universe and plays a lot of Warcraft 3 and are avid about the vanilla experience. Though, as you said there are a lot of variety streamers who will jump on the bandwagon just to get the numbers.
I also have the belief that, if a streamer really wants to compete in anyway to reach 60 early on then maybe they shouldn't stream at all (atleast during the first levels) or have a long delay on if they really need the money from the stream else it will be impossible for both themself and everyone around them.
I know what you mean. There will certainly be streamers that will stream this game for a long time, but some will just take the hype with them.
I do not think the streamers are going to have as big of an impact game wise as many people believe. Many of these streamers play games that aren't anything like Classic WoW will be and their player base is not even going to know how to handle it. Many of these streamers might attract a huge following off the start but they will quickly out level a large majority of these fans that follow them, slowly thinning the pack over time, while also having a portion just lose interest because they can't grief or hang around with their favorite streamer like they hope.
I think streamers will most likely have to limit their streams to dungeons and raids because there is no way they will be able to grind certain spots without being contested by anyone watching their stream. Even in the leveling process I do not think it will take much for these streamers to become frustrated when another person or people no-life their character 5-10 levels ahead and then just ruins that streamers day until they finally end their stream or just log off.
As for privileges, perks or benefits I do not think streamers should get anything of the like. Just because you stream your play doesn't make you special. Some streamers are amazing players but there are plenty of streamers who are just average players who have a personality or make content that some people enjoy. This doesn't give them any right to skip a server queue or be treated with any bias; positive or negative.
I don't like it, but they bring crazy exposure to Blizzard - so I wouldn't rule some sort of benefits being granted, or some form of 'sponsored' players. Looking after these key streamers and making sure they are happy playing there, will bring them in millions of dollars - which as a business is crazy to turn down.
Would it be bizarre for Blizzard CM's to hit up some streamers and talk them into dispersing their numbers across servers? Or is it in their interest to have THE streamer server?
110% against any special treatment. It would be just plain wrong, but for example: which streamers would qualify for special treatment? The ones that have an audience higher than n? Who decide which n is the correct threshold? It would be a very dangerous slippery slope to follow, completely against any kind of special treatment. They are just players like us.
They should receive no special privileges, I am going to try my best to stay away from pure streamer servers tbh. Might be hard since I live in the same timezones as a lot of them. I just don't want to get unlucky and play on a dead server or a server with uneven population, in that case I want relax freedom of movement with a pay wall much like on retail. It honestly hurts no one, just no cross fraction switching.