I'm kind of on the fence about this - whilst TBC, WOTLK legacy servers, separate from the Classic server, would be cool - all the players would move on too and that means not many would be left on the vanilla one...
Yeah, I'd prefer it if Blizzard only released Classic WoW (as in the vanilla game that was released in 2004) only. And then, perhaps further on down the line a few years after release, they could ask if the community want The Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King, too.
Since they announced classic wow, I thought that they should continue with patches and new updates separated from the original line. As Faendor says: "Maybe if they see a success with Classic, they will revaluate the game concept and come up with something completely new". This, in my personal opinion, would be the nirvana for me.
Maybe they invent something strange that resembles Marvel multiverses. In this timeline or universe the lich king remained in a permanent coma and not hibernating so WOTLK will never happen.
or... Thrall never reconnects with the elements, so he does not transform into green Jesus and becomes a bloodthirsty leader because the elements left him and he does not listen to anyone else but his hammer. (?)
The only thing I ask for from TBC are the arenas and from WOTLK wintergrasp, obviously with a new and molded concept to adapt it to the classic environment.
The concept of the garrison had a great potential that was not exploited in wod and later, it even ended up being an aberration; perhaps with the right approach I think would be an invaluable addition to the game.
The concept of the garrison had a great potential that was not exploited in wod and later, it even ended up being an aberration; perhaps with the right approach I think would be an invaluable addition to the game.
Just some fun trivia - as I was going through the original .MPQ data files for the vanilla client I found a directory called 'Player Housing'. They were experimenting with this in the wow alpha/beta but it never came to fruition. Agreed that it could have been implemented better and it never really reached it's full potential!
I was always more interested in the cut content of vanilla (Hellfire, Emerald dream, etc) than their later implementations personally. There's a lot of things that could be expanded upon without require an entire expansion.
Classic, with as little changes as possible, first then we can see about the others. They have to do this one right before I can have hope for TBC.
I would advise you not to have big hopes for Blizzard. The company is not taking a good direction. Classic wont save WOW or Blizzard. Soon it will be the time for WOW to retire and make room for new titles.
I would want any post vanilla content they wanted to release provided it stayed 40-man content.
But as a more specific idea, the Dragon Isles, Uldum, Grim Batol, Hellfire Peninsula, the Black Citadel, Karazhan, Gilneas, Dalaran, and other content originally planned for vanilla would be a great place to start.
I agree with many others I've seen talking about more horizontal than vertical progression, so I'd like to see naxx gear etc be the preraid gear for the next content released. There's no need for gear and leveling to scale so insanely that it makes previous content not only easy but absolutely irrelevant/soloable.
I don't want to see a verbatim rerelease of tbc & wotlk but if it was reworked to be 40 man focused and scale more gradually I'd be in heaven. I would also prefer the vanilla classes to be it--no dks and keep pallys ally only and shamans as horde. I feel that the additional classes started to vitiate the other class roles and their interaction in raids while also contributing to the creep towards every class feeling mostly like reskins.
Along that line, one thing I really don't want to see is symmetry in class or faction balance. That has translated to retail feeling bland and reskinny between dps, between tanks, between healers, and between ally and horde.
The asymmetry in balance and factions is part of the magic of vanilla and if classic continues past naxx (which I hope and pray that it does) I hope it and 40 man raiding is preserved.
If there was one thing I'd love to see about Vanilla being developed into 1.13 would be to hear the story of those who were left behind in Azeroth during the events of TBC.
But yeah, I would wholeheartedly want to see TBC come to life, even if it meant the death of what I love most - which is WPvP. I started playing in TBC I'd love to go back and redeem myself by clearing all the PvE content.
The asymmetry in balance and factions is part of the magic of vanilla and if classic continues past naxx (which I hope and pray that it does) I hope it and 40 man raiding is preserved.
Exactly man. Imbalance in classes also grows a healthy meta where the lazy cookie-cutter build players can then be taken advantage of by less well known strategies and builds.
Kind of surprised though at how many people are interested in a TBC expansion already - let's see how they handle vanilla first!
I would first like to see them do Vanilla and BC (hopefully) with no changes, Once those are complete they can leave servers for vanilla with no changes and then start a new progression realm where they have some devs create content for 1.13+ etc, I feel it would be interesting to see some new content in a 14+ year old game!
Kind of surprised though at how many people are interested in a TBC expansion already - let's see how they handle vanilla first!
It's a lot of people's favorite, and also when a lot of people started playing. They're only excited about vanilla as a means to get TBC.
Personally I prefer keeping my feet on the ground in Azeroth rather than going to space. You also lose some of that Horde flavor when Blood Elves get added and immediately become 1/3rd of the population.
Just some fun trivia - as I was going through the original .MPQ data files for the vanilla client I found a directory called 'Player Housing'. They were experimenting with this in the wow alpha/beta but it never came to fruition. Agreed that it could have been implemented better and it never really reached it's full potential!
Housing was to be in the game, you can still see the gate in Stormwind (the closed one with the blue portal) that was supposed to get you there. It was instanced but, unlike the garrison, was to be something really more awesome! You would have your house in a neighborhood, in a group with other players, giving you a sort of strict group of friends to familiarize with. Moreover, since AH was not in plan up until very late, it was thought as a way to also trade item with them... really top notch. So sad they didn't make in time.
Garrison is a lot different. It's an anti-social feature by definition.
Leave it alone is my vote. TBC was the beginning of the end of WOW for me. The zones were ridiculous and flying mounts just led to the run everywhere mentality that is prevalent in retail today, Instead of the slow exploration and discovery that was a huge part of the early game.
Leave it alone is my vote. TBC was the beginning of the end of WOW for me. The zones were ridiculous and flying mounts just led to the run everywhere mentality that is prevalent in retail today, Instead of the slow exploration and discovery that was a huge part of the early game.
I would very much like to see Classic TBC servers that are separate from Classic servers.
This would work in such a way that you get a 1 time per character transfer from the Classic Vanilla realm over to the Classic TBC realm and you can continue your progression there.
Classic Vanilla realms would stay untouched with 'fresh' Vanilla servers as an additional option when Classic TBC comes.
Classic+ or additional content past 60 for Vanilla is something I do not want to see, because I do not believe they'd manage to make it and additionally it is entirely unproven and requires a lot of time and money for them to do while having the possibility to introduce other issues like gear stat/power creep where 60 isn't just 60 anymore.
I think people think that you can just keep adding and adding and adding without any consequences, you can't, meanwhile TBC is already proven content and solves the "content" issues and personally adds some much needed class tuning.
Post TBC they should go with Classic WotLK as well, as to me the "downfall" started with one of the later end-game patches of WotLK, however the content on its own I really enjoy and it have a great leveling structure and amazing raids.
Fractures will happen regardless if you add more expansions to the Classic fold or not, so mergers of servers are coming regardless if you want it or not, not to mention a high percentage of players will drop in the first few months alone (personal observation on tourists) and expansions will keep the blood flowing to the Classic community.
To me Classic Vanilla is so much more than just Vanilla. It's a possibility to experience my younger days but with much more experience in a game that I've loved and played for decades (mostly on and off the last years).
No TBC, that was the beginning of the end for the direction of WoW, what with the numerous retcons, outlands fracturing all the players, flying, and the slow decline of it losing some of the 'world' that made world of warcraft.
1.13 horizontal content for sure.
Personally for all the hate modern WoW gets from everyone, it can't be denied that the game IS slowly improving if you take even a tiny look at the huge improvement since 8.2 has been released. It might not be much for a lot of people but it is getting better and I am starting to believe in Blizzard again.
You can say keep it at 1.12 or 1.13 forever or whatever but the game will slowly die that way. Let's be honest, there will be updated to Classic eventually and there's nothing we can do about it other than hope and try to help the devs understand what we want because I believe they are definitely going to listen when it come to Classic.
Say what you want, flame me curse etc, but I believe Blizzard is starting get on their path again. And I for one will walk it with them
When classic is done i would like a fresh start server or world of warcraft 2 (with the playstyle of vanilla wow)
I have seen a really interesting idea where they'd add zones such as Hyjal and Karazhan which were almost finished during Vanilla but they decided to delay them for later expansions. I personally never understood why some of the most iconic zones from the past didn't make it to vanilla. There's even a gate to Hyjal in Darkwhisper Gorge, it just lacks some quests. Maybe you could get some nice sets on par with tier 2 from Karazhan? Maybe for hybrid specs like shadow priests or prot pallys. I think that's a good way to introduce more content and spec diversity without creating a power creep. I agree that Naxx should be a ceiling and no items better than those should be introduced. This way the spirit of original game will remain and we will be able to explore all the content that got cut due to expansions...
I do not think they will transition classic into expansions. However, Blizzard has said they will consider making other legacy servers like tbc and wotlk if the players want it, I believe they will be separate from the classic server and that it will be left alone.
Personally, I can hardly imagine they will develop or make any changes to classic either. They bring classic back because that's people want, and I believe they will keep it original for as long as people want it that way.
On the contrary though, if classic becomes a success, I hope they would develop the modern game to reflect some of the core mechanics of classic but with new content.
I would very much like to see Classic TBC servers that are separate from Classic servers.
This would work in such a way that you get a 1 time per character transfer from the Classic Vanilla realm over to the Classic TBC realm and you can continue your progression there.
Classic Vanilla realms would stay untouched with 'fresh' Vanilla servers as an additional option when Classic TBC comes.
I would also love to see this happen!