Part 2 of 2.
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=10308/hammer-of-justice 6 second stun, 1-minute CD. Resisting this removes that window for the Paladin to get a quick heal or two off on themselves or forces them to use their https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=15326/blackou t"> https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20066/repentance [/url before they planned to. This helps in keeping the pressure up and hopefully causing them to panic a bit.
[url] https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=15326/blackout 5 talent points, 10% chance, 3 second stun, no CD. This is one of the best talents for a Shadowpriest in PVP (in my own personal opinion). It allows for a 10% chance per dot tick or offensive spell cast to stun the target. Really, and unexpectedly, can change the entire profile of a 1v1 fight or 2v1 for that matter. The 25% really reduced the overall proc-chance that the Priest has. Sort of levels the playing field for the "1v1 gods."
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=12360/impact 5 talent points, 10% chance, 2 second stun, no CD. *See Priest's comments, but less effective due to a reduced amount of dots ticking. But the Mage has a few tricks they can employ to re-establish the distance between them and their target. Priest's have to get a little more creative in this regard.
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=5211/bash 2 second stun, 1 min CD, requires Bear Form or Dire Bear Form; can be improved by 1 second for 2 talent points in https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=16941/brutal-impact . Very short stun, but one of the few that a Druid has outside of CC'ing with https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=9853/entangling-roots and https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=16810/natures-grasp which can be improved upon with https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=17249/improved-natures-grasp . The stun is situational as if its NOT a Guardian, the druid has to spend mana to shapeshift into another form to cast it. Really puts the pressure on the Druid when you resist one or two of these for the duration of the fight.
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=9005/pounce 2 second stun, must be in cat form, stealthed, and behind the target. Gives the Druid a chance to start off the fight on their own terms for a quick time. Resisting that can cause them to burn a CD to try and make up for that resist in attempts to regain their element of surprise or escape.
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20549/war-stomp I won't have to worry about this one as much and I'm definitely not offering tips to beating my Cow-Friends to the Alliance... /s
In Summary "And there was much rejoicing." This is just my analysis and how I frame my mind when I look into using racials as a min/max element that can be paired or countered towards my own talent build, I hope this has not been a waste of everyone's eyesight and has generated a bit more thought towards the whole "stun" game that we find ourselves in from time to time.
Both phenomenal abilities, in their own right, and they definitely shine in specific settings.
Agree with this.
I would absolutely play an Orc over Undead if I had the option for that as a Priest.
My man!
Whereas, the predictability of attacking an Undead and knowing that the first https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=6215/fear isn't going to land allows the enemy to mentally prepare for this and strategize for it.
I'll go one step further. It gives me the opportunity to bait out that cooldown. A quick fake cast fear as a lock and then cancelling it as they pop WoTF makes me giggle so much my sides hurt.
I fully get the discussion and perspectives provided here and I do have to agree after a bit of my own confirmation through research, https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20573/hardiness is the clear winner here. Due to its unpredictable nature and 2nd/3rd order effects of completely demoralizing and ruining a winning strategy.
Welcome to the team dude! There are enough Orcs for everyone! All aboard!!!!
Love the work you did focusing on rogues and warriors, and you're right Hardiness absolutely demoralizes these two classes which will both have a MASSIVE population. But it also works against Ret paladins. Rets win condition hinges on landing that stun and its on a long CD, that quick resist completely nulifies a Ret. It works against Spriests. Spriest fear cost 15% base mana, they arent spamming that on CD in most cases, which means they are relying more on downranked shadow word pain for blackout procs. Hunters as beast master OR as MM both have stuns. Fire mage impact... Druids! A tauren druid has SO many stuns! No fears though. The list goes on and on. Hardiness is a slam dunk ability. Its just too powerful to be honest. Then lets add engineering to the mix. Competent PvPers will be using a TON of nades. If you are choosing a racial FOR PvP you should be choosing it with the intention of beating the best players. The best players will have engineering and ~30% resist chance on those KEY grenade placements is such an advantage. How about unstoppable force? I dont think this weapon gets enough attention during discussions about hardiness. Alliance PvP will be FILLED with warriors and rets wielding unstoppable force. This is THE welfare epic 2hander that the majority of your level 60 opponents will be wielding. The warriors who do, will be coupling that with mace specialization. SOOOOOOOOO many stuns!
edit: oops, should have waited for part 2.
It did it again, Paladin's section eats up half of the following section. I knew I should have saved it on a Word.doc with the battle that teebling is fighting on our behalf!
I said some stuff about priest. you get the point. LOL
Undead ‘Cannibalism’
Cause if killing your enemies weren’t enough, now you can eat them as well
WotF beats Hardiness and here's why: WotF is an on-use ability that can both prevent and end Fear, Charm, and Sleep effects with a guaranteed result (as far as I know) for up to 5 seconds. Hardiness gives a 25% chance to resist only stun and while 25% (on top of additional stun resist) is a lot it still leaves a chance for you to be cc'd.
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We believed WoTF was superior in Vanilla. Many uninformed players STILL believe that on private. It's just not the case.
Great writeup. I would just add that there are very few Warlocks in general (second only to Druids on most servers) and even fewer Alliance Warlocks in the aggregate. Hardiness wins out for PVP applications when you can go Orc 100%. The real arguments come into play when you are comparing races for PVE, PVP, and Farming applications. An example being an Orc or Troll Hunter. Troll wins out for PVE and Farming imo, while Orcs win PVP. What about an all around Hunter that will dabble in all facets of the game? This is where choosing a race becomes more difficult.
Oh lawd, what is you doin baby
Reading through the posts like:
Hardiness is over rated, stuns dont last super long anyway and have diminishing returns.
Best racial depends on the class, but i like undeads WoTF for melee classes and troll’s berserking for mage/hunter
Hardiness is over rated, stuns dont last super long anyway and have diminishing returns.
Best racial depends on the class, but i like undeads WoTF for melee classes and troll’s berserking for mage/hunter
Hardiness overrated.
Michael Jordan overrated.
Pulp Fiction overrated.
Jesus overrated.
Hardiness is over rated, stuns dont last super long anyway and have diminishing returns.
Best racial depends on the class, but i like undeads WoTF for melee classes and troll’s berserking for mage/hunter
Hardiness overrated.
Michael Jordan overrated.
Pulp Fiction overrated.
Jesus overrated.
Hardiness is over rated
So new... I miss those days. :lol:
Hardiness is over rated
So new... I miss those days. :lol:
Or able to think outside the box.
I like challenging the norms, Hardiness may be the best racial ever but I still think it is over rated in comparison to others. I don't subscribe to group think, i like thinking for myself =)
I like challenging the norms, Hardiness may be the best racial ever but I still think it is over rated in comparison to others. I don't subscribe to group think, i like thinking for myself =)
This doesnt make sense dumb dumb.
"Hardiness is overrated"
"Hardiness may be the best racial ever"
Which is it?
Taking a stance just for the sake of taking a stance doesnt make you a free-thinker... It just makes you a contrarian.
Hardiness is overpowered. Its not group think to say it's the top pvp racial because factually it is. It's legit RNG whether you beat a equal skilled orc player on a class that depends on stuns.
Also welcome back from the dead, random 6 month old topic.