I was hyped to get back into 19 bracket twinking, and I've had a good game or two. I've seen more people using exploits now than I ever did back in the day though, probably just easier to google "warsong gulch exploit" or something.

Yes the number of people with a high amount of knowledge of the game is high, so is the number of people who are very dedicated in the PvP grind and/or twinking.

AV is basically a PVE race which Horde cannot win if both teams know what they are doing. Everyone seems to be fine with that :D

WSG however is a different matter entirely. As a druid and therefore likely candidate for Carrying Flags, the prospect of playing lots of WSG excites me as it seems to be actual PvP as oppoesd to the factreaching exalted with the Frostwolves is a walk in the park.

Since we have Cross-Realm BG's I hope we also have a rule set that premade's cannot be paired against non-premades. I think that is the most frustrating experience in WSG / AB.

AV is nice when people go half-turtling and defend a bit. I enjoy doing 1vs2's around the mid and then back off to Galv and go on from there. Most people are running PvE specs and poor gear, I wish we could do AV premades.

AV is nice when people go half-turtling and defend a bit. I enjoy doing 1vs2's around the mid and then back off to Galv and go on from there. Most people are running PvE specs and poor gear, I wish we could do AV premades.

I also preach for defending and fuck the meta in AV.
Some people enjoyed the fast AV games but horde can't get a clean win in <8 minutes anyway so usually I support some defense to give our faction the time to win.

Never encountered a horde win without some defense and I like it that way.

I've always wanted to create a level 19 twink on Classic!
Can't wait to start putting one together haha

Never encountered a horde win without some defense and I like it that way.

I agree, the most fun comes out of AV when you hole the fort long enough to summon the Ice Lord and what him bash in Vandarr's face :D

AV is nice when people go half-turtling and defend a bit. I enjoy doing 1vs2's around the mid and then back off to Galv and go on from there. Most people are running PvE specs and poor gear, I wish we could do AV premades.

I also preach for defending and fuck the meta in AV.
Some people enjoyed the fast AV games but horde can't get a clean win in <8 minutes anyway so usually I support some defense to give our faction the time to win.

Never encountered a horde win without some defense and I like it that way.

Funny thing is you get way more rep defending by collecting items and it's way more fun if you're in a PvP spec. New meta is basically PvE-ers rushing and PvP-ers staying behind to fight 1v2's. It's kind of nice.

Funny thing is you get way more rep defending by collecting items and it's way more fun if you're in a PvP spec. New meta is basically PvE-ers rushing and PvP-ers staying behind to fight 1v2's. It's kind of nice.

Yeah, had some dedicated 21/8/22 dorf rogue with engineering in AV and he just stole recaptures against 3 players.

Later that day I pulled the same move against 2 warriors, felt good.

Also, with the easy cleave levelling the general skill floor is much lower than on pservers - at least in PVP it seems :mrgreen:

I'm disappointed by the latest patch, but because it splits the community into three groups.

1. People who want to push their rank (in AV)
2. People who want to get exalted gear from AV
3. People who want to PvP for fun with their friends/guild

I was not aware that AV had no group queue, and as Horde you can't get into the same AV game as your friends. Effectively, it means my "PvP guild" is dead silent with everyone griding rep/rank by themselves. Some are even just going into AV to fish. Meanwhile I'm trying to have fun in WSG but failing to get people together because the gains are sub-optimal.

The corpse camping gank fests have passed and we're actually able to experience the open world again. There are still organic and small scale PvP battles between people who are farming mats or heading to a dungeon, or just roaming around looking to pick a fight, but now those numbers are manageable. Rather than killing wPvP, the release of BGs has revived wPvP in my view. People who are fighting in the open world are doing it for its own sake rather than a number's game. I've already gotten into numerous small skirmishes in BRM, WPL and EPL.

I get that some people are upset about AV 1.12, or the fact that the honor grind meta is being ruined by AV (lol), but I don't give a shit about that. I'm absolutely thrilled that Phase 2 is done with.

The release of BGs has re-ignited my enthusiasm for Classic. :mrgreen:

Funny thing is you get way more rep defending by collecting items and it's way more fun if you're in a PvP spec.

Is this true? I noticed this weekend that I was getting a lot of rep even though we were turtling, and I was wondering if the Alliance had finally figured out how to turn a turtle into a decent rep farming opportunity.

What are the best items to collect for rep gains?

I was not aware that AV had no group queue

I wasn't aware of this either. I agree that this definitely sucks.

I was not aware that AV had no group queue

I wasn't aware of this either. I agree that this definitely sucks.

If you and your friends queue at the same time, it is likely you will get into the same BG

I'm absolutely thrilled that Phase 2 is done with.

The release of BGs has re-ignited my enthusiasm for Classic. :mrgreen:

Man, phase 2 fucking sucked ass. I can't put it much nicer than that. The human centipede of enemy players stacked mouth to asshole from every flight path to every dungeon entrance at all hours of the day was insane. Only reason I was able to make due for as long as I did was I got stealth on my side, and I got used to essentially RP walking in stealth all the way from Redridge up to Death Mountain to get any UBRS/BRD/LBRS/etc stuff done. I never wanna sit through that BS again.

But at the same, I'll be damned if that period didn't give some fun memories that are going to last for quite a long time to come. I'm super glad the rank griefers have moved on to battlegrounds where they belong. But we all got some crazy stories to tell for years to come. I enjoyed it in retrospect, now that it's gone, and never want it to come back again. It was like playing out the losing side of a horror film :lol:

I'm absolutely thrilled that Phase 2 is done with.

The release of BGs has re-ignited my enthusiasm for Classic. :mrgreen:

Man, phase 2 fucking sucked ass. I can't put it much nicer than that. The human centipede of enemy players stacked mouth to asshole from every flight path to every dungeon entrance at all hours of the day was insane. Only reason I was able to make due for as long as I did was I got stealth on my side, and I got used to essentially RP walking in stealth all the way from Redridge up to Death Mountain to get any UBRS/BRD/LBRS/etc stuff done. I never wanna sit through that BS again.

But at the same, I'll be damned if that period didn't give some fun memories that are going to last for quite a long time to come. I'm super glad the rank griefers have moved on to battlegrounds where they belong. But we all got some crazy stories to tell for years to come. I enjoyed it in retrospect, now that it's gone, and never want it to come back again. It was like playing out the losing side of a horror film :lol:

The greatest fun I never want to have again.

The greatest fun I never want to have again.

Exactly! :biggrin:

I was not aware that AV had no group queue

I wasn't aware of this either. I agree that this definitely sucks.

If you and your friends queue at the same time, it is likely you will get into the same BG

We did try this 10+ times with a countdown in Discord, and we keep getting different games. Apparently, entering AV with friends only works on the Alliance side. I suspect that this is due to faction imbalance. There are more Horde than Alliance, making the Horde "waiting room" a lot bigger. When a new game starts, nearly all allies in the waiting room are needed to get 40 players, but only a small fraction of horde is needed. Rather than taking the people who have been waiting the longest, it just seems to do a random sample.

Anyway, I liked phase 2 for all its chaos. It was savage. I was looking forward to BGs for more fair PvP skirmishes where the numbers are equal, but the current implementation just encourages people to get PvP epics by fishing in AV. Normally I'm not one for complaining about Classic being Classic, but that is a tough one to swallow for a PvP fan.

Funny thing is you get way more rep defending by collecting items and it's way more fun if you're in a PvP spec.

Is this true? I noticed this weekend that I was getting a lot of rep even though we were turtling, and I was wondering if the Alliance had finally figured out how to turn a turtle into a decent rep farming opportunity.

What are the best items to collect for rep gains?

Bloods you get off slain players are pretty good. You can turn in 5 at a time and get 5 rep, they drop off players - usually around 5-10 for each player. It might not seem much but then again I think everybody in the raid gets rep whenever people turn in items. You can easily add up to 50-100 extra rep every game like that.

Man, phase 2 fucking sucked ass. I can't put it much nicer than that. The human centipede of enemy players stacked mouth to asshole from every flight path to every dungeon entrance at all hours of the day was insane.

Wow, what a phenomenal description that will be immortalized in Barrens Chat history.