Pingaan’s guide to raiding – Page 3 – PvE

pingaan · 2019-05-14T12:33:57Z

Hey!With the release date announced I have decided to re-post this guide once more, to hopefully help better browsing the sheet with less questions asked.This is both for you and for me in terms of saving time. The name of this topic is marely to point out that the sheet is under my supervision, the info itself has been discussed upon and fetched from every corner of the interwebs. Special thanks to the <Noctum> crew for helping me out and thank you everyone else who has contributed!- First off, I'd like to point out that it is highly recommended for all players to have engineering (gnomish or goblin, doesn't matter) as a second profession. The reason for this is simply because it is the only profession with true perks in vanilla WoW, throughout the whole game. It s really helpful in both PvE- and PvP situtions.- There are links throughout the whole sheet, which pop up on the computer when you mouse-over the cell. On your phone/table, you need to tap the cell twice to get up a menu with the links.- Everything in this guide covers the viable and partially viable PvE specs. To define partially viable, I mean hybrid classes that deal damage but are able to step up and heal/tank if needed during the encounter. I know that some of the specs in the sheet is not considered to be viable in terms of outputting high enough DPS or TPS. But to be fair, to be able to clear the game you don't have to min/max. This sheet is meant to be used by the community and not only the top tier raiding players.- While the "best-in-slot" section of this sheet contains the utter most best item for each slot, it is highly unlikely to get anywhere close to having this equipment. The only stage where it is remotely possible is phase 6. Therefore I recommend you to compose your own set off lists using the links embedded in the avatar class pictures at the top of the sheet. Every "BiS"-item collected should be considered a bonus. - On the "Equipment & enchants" sub-sheet you find that some items are bracketed and plus symbols appear. Bracketed items are items that are the actual BiS-items, but which are close to unobtainable to the average player. Curly bracketed items are legendary items; items that are above all else. Cells that contains a + symbol indicates usage of multiple trinkets that are swapped between mid-fight using feign death (hunter) and vanish (rogue). "+ ..." indicates usage of random passive trinket when you're done with the usable trinkets.There are three sub-sheets in this sheet: 1. Raid encounters and guides This sheet contains all the raid encounters in the game, with links on info/lore for each boss, links to tactical guides to each boss, as well as links to guides on how to get attuned for each raid dungeon. 2. Buffs & consumables Here all buffs and consumables for each class/specc are listed. The ones you do not see here are not here because they do not stack with the listed. 3. Equipment & enchants The sheet contains every “best-in-slot” item for every stage (from release to Naxxramas) for every viable and partially viable specc, with the best possible enchant for each slot. There is also a bonus sheet containing various resistance items for each class in preparation for upcoming raid dungeons, as well as AoE-tanking items.Guide to use the sheetto guidesheet will be updated with future Blizzard announcements and patches.Use the sheet as you wish and do not hesitate to leave feedback or post if you have any questions, alt. contact me on Discord - pingaan#5396.Link to original postsupdated: 21 aug(2019)Changelogwon't add PvP "BiS"-listsExtras:To top this up I would like to do some PR for our guild. We are a setup of mature ppl with a solid core on about 30 raiders. Many of us are family guys, but with a past vast experience in high-end raiding. Personally, I am one of the founders of Ad Noctum/Kreml High (vanilla-WotLK) and I have been acting as the guild master of this recent settlement. Along with players from past Nihilum, Method, Glamuor, Nightmares Asylum, Forte and more we have managed to create a laid-back guild with great atmosphere and decent raiding. We raid only twice a week and we raid hard! Keep and eye out for <Noctum> on the EU servers. We WILL be there!If you are interested in our guild please send me a PM on either these forums or Discord (pingaan#5396).I’ll happily invite you to our private Discord server for you to get a feel.Like my work? Thank me by donating a few dollars. Paypal: paypal.me/pingaan Bitcoin: 3A7AjceRTkJNdNWYqzg1ZUgNfLgoEf1p11Best regards,Pingaan.

Tamul Brokenhoof

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I'm saving this for later!
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Posted : 23/06/2019 12:00 pm

pingaan

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Update: A lot of corrections: pp2-p3 healing neck, a ton of bear items pp1-p4, resto druid wrists pp1 and boots p3-4 (for 3-set bonus), caster gloves pp1-p2, fury warriors p6 shroud of dominion instead of cloak of the scourge, holy priest pp1-pp2 shoulders, resto shaman pp1 shoulders, prot paladin p4 boots, p3-5 weap, p5 bracers, prot warrior (defense, non-orcs) weap p3-4, ring p4.

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Topic starter Posted : 24/06/2019 1:27 pm

Psojed

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pingaan Some suggestions for phase 1 BiS lists.

Retribution paladin
List mentions https://classic.wowhead.com/item=14616 for dwarves only. However you're using 2H Axe as your BiS weapon, so human racial bonuses do nothing for you. Therefore all paladins must be using Bloodmail Boots (or other source of 1% hit) to reach the 9% hitcap.

I suggest that Ret paladin Legs, Gloves and Shoulders are replaced with https://classic.wowhead.com/item=15062 https://classic.wowhead.com/item=15063 and https://classic.wowhead.com/item=13066
The reasoning:
1) The mentioned combination of gear provides better passive DPS stats (as in not counting the USE from Cloudkeeper)
Current gear totals: 30 Str (66 AP) 25 Agi (1,25% crit), 24 AP, 1% crit, 2% hit, 15min CD use: +100 AP.
Suggested gear totals: 12 STR (26 AP), 8 Agi (0,4% crit), 74 AP, 2% crit, 2% hit.
Difference: +10 AP, +0,15% crit chance.
I didn't do any math for the Cloudkeeper buff, so perhaps for 30 seconds you will be better off using the Current gear, but for the remaining 14 minutes of cooldown you won't.
2) Considering Cloudkeeper Legplates are a rare world drop while the Devilsaur set can be crafted, it should also be much easier to obtain.
3) In UBRS you will be competing with Warriors, Rogues and possibly other classes for the 2% hit shoulders. Since ret paladins are still incorrectly viewed by a lot of the "public" as a joke spec, chances are that your group won't be happy with you rolling on those shoulders. Switching to Devilsaur set and ignoring Truestrike Shoulders will save ret pallies a LOT of headaches regarding that (speaking from experience).

Finally a tiny thing, the Ret Pally list features Painweaver Band, but the ring icon used in the sheet belongs to Blackstone Ring.

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Protection paladin
Legs and Gauntlets should be replaced with Deathbone set https://classic.wowhead.com/item=14622 and https://classic.wowhead.com/item=14623
Current gear totals: 1134 armor, +25 defense, +9 STR, +14 STA
Suggested gear totals: 955 armor, +23 defense, +34 STA, +9 MP5, +15 all resistances (4/5 setbonus), +1% parry chance (5/5 setbonus)
The reasoning: You're not reaching def cap either way in phase 1 pre-raid, so 2 more def points won't help. The 180 armor and STR is overshadowed by the extra 20 Stamina, MP5, resistances and parry chance.

Trinket - Demon's Blood should be replaced by https://classic.wowhead.com/item=13966 / https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19024

PS: How would you factor in an Archivist's Cape of Holy Wrath (4 MP5, +21 Holy spell Damage) as a tool for threat generation?

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Posted : 26/06/2019 8:54 am

pingaan

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bear - fallen defender p6, dark heart p4, restless dreams p4, lava belt
spriest p3, cloak of the brood lord p3, jade inlaid vestments p4.
Fixed enchants for bears, bears cats and hunters.

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Topic starter Posted : 28/06/2019 2:28 am

pingaan

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@psojed Sorry, I totally missed your message. Looks like a few good arguments. I'll look into it in the week to come.

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Topic starter Posted : 29/06/2019 2:20 pm

pingaan

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Psojed

Alright, looked over your suggestions and corrected the ones I agree on... The first part about the axes and hit gear for dwarves was a mindslip, obviously! =D

About the arguments in swapping those three pieces, I don't agree. I feel that the 15 min CD is enough to be used on each boss. Sure, you can swap gear on trash, but 30 secs of fame is what I'd go for.

Updated all of the prot pieces you suggested, both in pp1 and pp2. Good stuff!
..and regarding the cloak; yes, I have been thinking about a TPS gear for prot paladins as well, however I have no experience at all doing it. Do you? I'd love to pick your mind! ;)

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Topic starter Posted : 01/07/2019 7:25 am

pingaan

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Corrected enchants for casters, healers, hunters and ferals in pp1-p2. Updated prot paladin pp1-pp2.

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Topic starter Posted : 01/07/2019 11:18 am

Psojed

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Updated all of the prot pieces you suggested, both in pp1 and pp2. Good stuff!

Those gloves and legs need to be updated in p2 and p3 too :) Oh and in the dressing room links.

But wait, there's more!
Remove https://classic.wowhead.com/item=14555 from fire rez gear (pally can't use dagger).
Remove https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18203 from p2 (pally can't use fist weapon).
Remove https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19138 from p2 (we use Naglering, then switch to this, then switch back to Naglering for p3?)
Change https://classic.wowhead.com/item=12619 to https://classic.wowhead.com/item=14623 in p3 (basically a downgrade if we switch to Enchanted Thorium Legs).
In "preparation for Suppression room" I would use MP5 trinkets https://classic.wowhead.com/item=17064 and https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18371 and https://classic.wowhead.com/item=13243 to abuse our Blessing of Sanctuary (35 Holy dmg returned with each block).

..and regarding the cloak; yes, I have been thinking about a TPS gear for prot paladins as well, however I have no experience at all doing it. Do you? I'd love to pick your mind! ;)
TPS gear for Paladin would be spell damage gear. That usually has no tanking stats, so you need to find the balance between tank gear and spelldmg gear. The usual way is to just use spelldmg weapon, and keep tanking gear in other slots, as there is also not much to choose from:
The only spelldmg Plate in pre-raid are: https://classic.wowhead.com/item=11632 https://classic.wowhead.com/item=13168 so that's not very helpful. In p1 you have T2 pieces (head, legs), p2 unlocks PvP gear with spell damage, p3 unlocks rest of T2. Then you wait for T2.5 in p5 and off-set gloves from Viscidus, then p6 unlocks off-set "Grand Crusader" epics. There are few off-set spell dmg plate pieces from AQ20, which are of course inferior to T2.5. You already have T2/T2.5 in the Tankadin bis lists :)

TPS Weapons - pre-raid it's https://classic.wowhead.com/item=22383 then p1 https://classic.wowhead.com/item=17103 (mages will hate you :D ) then p3 https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19360 then p6 https://classic.wowhead.com/item=22988 Enchant with spell damage, apply spell damage oil. I would consider using just the weapons as regular part of tankadin bis instead of making a separate TPS list.

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Posted : 01/07/2019 1:35 pm

pingaan

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Alright, cool! I'll set up a decent TPS set I the days to come. Interesting! :-)

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Topic starter Posted : 02/07/2019 9:23 am

pingaan

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Btw, what about Thunder Fury? That's still BiS due to the threat on the proc, right?

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Topic starter Posted : 02/07/2019 9:25 am

Anonymous

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...also, if I were to go for some hit, would that be spell- or phys hit?

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Posted : 02/07/2019 10:36 am

pingaan

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Updated all of the prot pieces you suggested, both in pp1 and pp2. Good stuff!

Those gloves and legs need to be updated in p2 and p3 too :) Oh and in the dressing room links.

But wait, there's more!
Remove https://classic.wowhead.com/item=14555 from fire rez gear (pally can't use dagger).
Remove https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18203 from p2 (pally can't use fist weapon).
Remove https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19138 from p2 (we use Naglering, then switch to this, then switch back to Naglering for p3?)
Change https://classic.wowhead.com/item=12619 to https://classic.wowhead.com/item=14623 in p3 (basically a downgrade if we switch to Enchanted Thorium Legs).
In "preparation for Suppression room" I would use MP5 trinkets https://classic.wowhead.com/item=17064 and https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18371 and https://classic.wowhead.com/item=13243 to abuse our Blessing of Sanctuary (35 Holy dmg returned with each block).

..and regarding the cloak; yes, I have been thinking about a TPS gear for prot paladins as well, however I have no experience at all doing it. Do you? I'd love to pick your mind! ;)
TPS gear for Paladin would be spell damage gear. That usually has no tanking stats, so you need to find the balance between tank gear and spelldmg gear. The usual way is to just use spelldmg weapon, and keep tanking gear in other slots, as there is also not much to choose from:
The only spelldmg Plate in pre-raid are: https://classic.wowhead.com/item=11632 https://classic.wowhead.com/item=13168 so that's not very helpful. In p1 you have T2 pieces (head, legs), p2 unlocks PvP gear with spell damage, p3 unlocks rest of T2. Then you wait for T2.5 in p5 and off-set gloves from Viscidus, then p6 unlocks off-set "Grand Crusader" epics. There are few off-set spell dmg plate pieces from AQ20, which are of course inferior to T2.5. You already have T2/T2.5 in the Tankadin bis lists :)

TPS Weapons - pre-raid it's https://classic.wowhead.com/item=22383 then p1 https://classic.wowhead.com/item=17103 (mages will hate you :D ) then p3 https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19360 then p6 https://classic.wowhead.com/item=22988 Enchant with spell damage, apply spell damage oil. I would consider using just the weapons as regular part of tankadin bis instead of making a separate TPS list.

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Topic starter Posted : 29/07/2019 11:54 am

pingaan

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Launch date incoming! Bump!

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Topic starter Posted : 18/08/2019 2:22 am

pingaan

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Updated according to the last announcement, regarding dungeon loot tables pre phase 5.

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Topic starter Posted : 21/08/2019 1:25 pm

Gensei

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You know, if this is really a guide it should be in the guide section of the site instead of you bumping your own guide in the main forum.

Edit: Yes I know I did bump it, but only by 30 minutes...as opposed to the OP bringing it back to the top every few days/weeks over and over.

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Posted : 21/08/2019 1:59 pm

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