The problem with redoubt/reckoning build is that you have to spec for it, so it does not sound fun to switch gear sets. But I feel like def gear is not going to be needed if you can mathematically guarantee that you that everything following a crit is blocked. Which boss would have to have defensive gear?

Would a prot pally want 10% intelligence talent or 15 % more damage from righteous?

Divine Intellect and Improved Seal of Righteousness are found on seperate tiers in the talent tree so you can just get both.

Note that Improved Seal of Righteousness only increase your base damage of SoR and Judgement of Righteousness. The threat on these abilities are pretty low to begin with though, so my logic here is that you want everything you can get to boost its damage. The threat is also increased by Righteous Fury and the Seal damage has some synergy with the One Handed Weapon Specialization talent in Prot.

The choice is then between 10% Strength and 10% Intellect. Strength increase your block value, but you need 20 Strength per point of Block Value, and this block value does not scale with your Shield Specialization talent either. In preraid gear f.ex, having the talent may give you around 1 additional Block Value when tanking. Bosses hit for 600-700 damage so its pretty negligible.

Strength also increase your white damage. White damage does not scale with Righteous Fury, so its a marginal threat increase. It still is an increase, so you can argue that by the same logic that I use to pick Improved Seal of Righteousness, you may want to have the talent.

What I go for however is Divine Intellect. I personally favor having some Intellect on my gear. I tank with Tier 2 helm/legs, and before I got those I was using so Tier 1 pieces which has some Intellect on them. Having more mana means you are able to cast more spells before you run out and that indirectly increase your threat. Divine Int vs Strength is really just a preference thing.

The bottom line is that you should be choosing between Int and Strength, not between Improved SoR and Intellect.

To address the absolute nonsense written above by Killerduki.

My guilds tank composition is two Warrior tanks. One Deep Prot, one Fury Prot, one Feral Druid and myself.

The thing is, while I certainly would like tank everything myself I value my guild over my own personal need to tank. The reason I am not holding aggro on the trash is simply because I am not really trying. I am the raidleader of my guild, and having the Warriors take point on tanking trash means I get to focus on callouts for incoming patrols, watch debuffs and coordinate other things like buffs or whatever else during the trash.

My raidleading style is that I will always place the classes that are best suited for the job on the task they should be doing to optimize the raid as a whole. That means having the Warriors on the trash tanking as they can taunt if someone overaggroes. Having that safety net means our DPS can start nuking straight away which overall speeds up the raid.

My job on trash is simply to watch out for any additional mobs that might patrol or get ninjapulled, and get initial aggro on those until one of the Warrior tanks can take it off me. This is simply a better way to utilize the classes we have available rather than trying to live some kind of Protection maintanking fantasy to the detriment of my guild and raid.

As you can see, on the bosses that I do tank, I am perfectly capable of holding aggro doing what I already do. I dont have to hyperoptimize my rotation when I already have a solid threat lead from the adds being killed first and that lets me focus more on raidleading the fight instead.

I am not tanking Magmadar because our deep Prot Warrior is better suited to the job than I am, and again I am raidleading and not having to tank it myself makes me more focused on calling out fearwards and checking if debuffs are maintained. I could absolutely maintank this fight if I wanted to, but there's really no point to doing it.

I want to specifically focus on this part of your post though, regarding the Shazzrah fight:
while he is desparate of buffing Kings which is poorer aggro than JoR.

This is actually the proper way to tank this fight. With 7 Mages, the Greater Kings is doing 798 threat per cast from range, meaning the boss snaps right back to me as you can see in the video. The alternative if you were using a Warrior would be having an offtank stay in the raid, pick the boss up and then drag it back to the tankspot where the Maintank would taunt is off the offtank and continue tanking.

I am not sure why you think Judgement of Righteousness would be better here. Thats simply not the case. First off all, the boss teleports out of melee range, which means I would have to chase the boss down to judge it with Righteousness. Secondly, Judgement does not even do more threat. As you can see on the Lucifron fight earlier in the video it can crit for up to 420 damage. Thats almost 800 threat, just marginally better than Blessing of Kings. Most likely the Judgement will not crit however, and it may even resist from having 17% spell miss chance. Greater Kings is by far the best strategy for this as you can see :)
he ended up being more noob to rely spamming Kings which is extremely limited threat making and poor threat compare to Seal of Righteousness against single target.

As I already wrote about above, with 7 Mages, the Greater Kings produce 798 threat per cast. With a 1.5 sec global cooldown that means casting Kings on cooldown produce 532 threat per second.

Seal of Righteousness however deals 60 damage each with with the improved Seal of the Crusader debuff on the boss. With my 1.5 speed Flurry Axe this means it does 76 threat per second. Not accounting for additional Flurry Axe procs, but lets be extremely generous and say an even 100 threat per second. Your statement is not even remotely true and I have to really question your understanding of the how the game functions.

You are also focusing an awefully lot on me not precasting Holy Shield. I specifically do not precast this because casting Holy Shield actually generate threat as the ability is a Buff. This means casting it after combat starts provide me with a small amount of additional threat that cannot resist or be subject to RNG in any way.

I concede that I did not have Righteous Fury on Majordomo. Actually did not notice until you pointed it out. This is because we did Garr before, and he dispelled the buff. I suppose I was just too focused on the raid itself and forgot to rebuff it. A pretty bad mistake, but as I was just offtanking one of the adds that would not get nuked down until at the end of the fight it made little real difference.

For Ragnaros, I am healing because again, the Warriors and Druid tank is simply better for this fight because they dont have a mana bar and so they cannot be targetted by the Hammer of Ragnaros ability. They also have Intercept/Charge to let them get back into the fight quicker once they are hit by Wrath of Ragnaros.

I recognize that different classes have different strengths and weaknesses, and I will always attempt to utilize the classes we have available in a role that makes the most sense for the raid as a whole. I have no doubt I could tank all the bosses if I really wanted to, I just dont have any intentions of being that selfish.

Hopefully this clears things up.

Still, kudos to Holyfrog for quality posts.

Came for the drama, stayed for the content

The reason I am not holding aggro on the trash is simply because I am not really trying. I am the raidleader of my guild, and having the Warriors take point on tanking trash means I get to focus on callouts for incoming patrols, watch debuffs and coordinate other things like buffs or whatever else during the trash.

If you are not there to do the job , then there is no point of being in the raid , while someone would do it and not relying on other Tanks to do things that he can do even better than them!
Problem is that you have no clue how better you are on trash compare to other tanks , simply because your DMG is higher than other Tanks is speeding up Trash killing.
My raidleading style is that I will always place the classes that are best suited for the job on the task they should be doing to optimize the raid as a whole.

Exactly what i pointed out above, as Raid Leader myself too ,i also position things who are best suited for doing the job , especially why i pointed that YOU should do Trash Tanking over Warriors, simply because of higher DPS = speeding up the run. (but seeing what kind of paranoya you are getting when things are getting pulled and messing with seals and spamming consecration for aggro i imo pointless explaining this to you).
My job on trash is simply to watch out for any additional mobs that might patrol or get ninjapulled, and get initial aggro on those until one of the Warrior tanks can take it off me.

You can always watch out for ninjapulled and patrol mobs even while tanking Mobs , that's not an excuse, that's being noob.

This shows what kind of Expert is getting Carried on the Raids instead of doing his job , if i was Raid leading , then you would been Gkicked instantly for not doing the Tank job and leaving it to others who are worse on specific job than you (trash killing) .
As you can see, on the bosses that I do tank, I am perfectly capable of holding aggro doing what I already do.

You hold what???? LOL , when things get improved with higher lvl Gear, doing the way you do , you are going to hold my balls only.
I dont have to hyperoptimize my rotation when I already have a solid threat lead from the adds being killed first and that lets me focus more on raidleading the fight instead.

I am raidleading and able to easy focus on hyperoptimize and raid leading at the same time , that's not excuse.
Also not doing something good , explains why your claims are "Others do the job better than me" , simply because you are noob and missrepresenting the Class , doesn't mean that your claims are right about the class.

- Why would you waste mana of your healers instead of receiving less dmg taken?
- Why would you waste time to 39 people in Raid , when you can optimize the DMG and speedup the whole run ?
This is actually the proper way to tank this fight. With 7 Mages, the Greater Kings is doing 798 threat per cast from range, meaning the boss snaps right back to me as you can see in the video. The alternative if you were using a Warrior would be having an offtank stay in the raid, pick the boss up and then drag it back to the tankspot where the Maintank would taunt is off the offtank and continue tanking.

So you are basically slacker on top of being noob there and leaving whole group waiting for you to get the aggro relying on Blessings only ?

Instead you could spam Blessings, run at same time, pick the boss with JoR and run back instantly to the spot to speedup the process.
I am not sure why you think Judgement of Righteousness would be better here. Thats simply not the case. First off all, the boss teleports out of melee range, which means I would have to chase the boss down to judge it with Righteousness. Secondly, Judgement does not even do more threat. As you can see on the Lucifron fight earlier in the video it can crit for up to 420 damage. Thats almost 800 threat, just marginally better than Blessing of Kings. Most likely the Judgement will not crit however, and it may even resist from having 17% spell miss chance. Greater Kings is by far the best strategy for this as you can see :)

Let me explain you why SoR and JoR is better :

MANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA .... No wonder why you are getting OOM so easily.

On long duration JoR and SoR will provide you more threat than spamming Kings, because spamming Kings will leave you without mana, while focusing on SoR/JoR is going to provide you smooth fight without mana being wasted (as Bonus you can even have Holy Shield and still mana wont be wasted) and at the end you are going to make much more threat than the short duration Kings spamming .

You should optimize things and have always mana for anything unpredicted.... Like 3rd Teleport , like half raid wiped so longer duration etc etc ...
But you obviously rely on getting carried and boosted...
(Explains the noob part where you said) :
The threat will simply just keep dropping off the further we progress into the game, where Warriors/Druids will have more and more available gear to increase both their threat and their available resources (Rage) through doing more damage.

You are also focusing an awefully lot on me not precasting Holy Shield. I specifically do not precast this because casting Holy Shield actually generate threat as the ability is a Buff. This means casting it after combat starts provide me with a small amount of additional threat that cannot resist or be subject to RNG in any way.

Instead of relying to get snap few threats (perhaps 50 or less than that) , having Holy Shield active and GCD ready will provide you :
1- Big chance for Block when Boss hit you = snap 230 threat.
2- GCD ready to instantly use Consecration for even more threat.
3- Same time Judging .

3 in 1 = Instant making extremely high threat, instead of having group waiting you for 10 - 15 seconds before you do anything....
For Ragnaros, I am healing because again, the Warriors and Druid tank is simply better for this fight because they dont have a mana bar and so they cannot be targetted by the Hammer of Ragnaros ability.

Even if you are targettted by the Hammer of Ragnaros , it is not going to Hurt neither YOU , neither ANYONE and Offtank can always Resist it using Fire Resistance Gear. Simply because the Tank (Can be seen in your Video too) is without anyone close to him except the Offtank who is already using Fire Resistance Gear....

On top of that, Boss is never going to make double Knockbacks (hammer+base knockback) , so either way , this explain why you should never be Raid Leader , when you don't even know how things work to begin with.
I recognize that different classes have different strengths and weaknesses, and I will always attempt to utilize the classes we have available in a role that makes the most sense for the raid as a whole.

First you don't have any clue what are the strengths and weaknesses of your Class , before you claim such things. Especially watching what kind of Noob you are playing your Spec and Class is imo good explanation why you believe in such nonsense.

Lets watch someone who is not a raid leader, claim that they are a raid leader and criticize someone who raid leads while he does scarlet monastery. This makes sense.

Divine Intellect and Improved Seal of Righteousness are found on seperate tiers in the talent tree so you can just get both.

Note that Improved Seal of Righteousness only increase your base damage of SoR and Judgement of Righteousness. The threat on these abilities are pretty low to begin with though, so my logic here is that you want everything you can get to boost its damage. The threat is also increased by Righteous Fury and the Seal damage has some synergy with the One Handed Weapon Specialization talent in Prot.

The choice is then between 10% Strength and 10% Intellect. Strength increase your block value, but you need 20 Strength per point of Block Value, and this block value does not scale with your Shield Specialization talent either. In preraid gear f.ex, having the talent may give you around 1 additional Block Value when tanking. Bosses hit for 600-700 damage so its pretty negligible.

Strength also increase your white damage. White damage does not scale with Righteous Fury, so its a marginal threat increase. It still is an increase, so you can argue that by the same logic that I use to pick Improved Seal of Righteousness, you may want to have the talent.

What I go for however is Divine Intellect. I personally favor having some Intellect on my gear. I tank with Tier 2 helm/legs, and before I got those I was using so Tier 1 pieces which has some Intellect on them. Having more mana means you are able to cast more spells before you run out and that indirectly increase your threat. Divine Int vs Strength is really just a preference thing.

The bottom line is that you should be choosing between Int and Strength, not between Improved SoR and Intellect.

Ok so try making reckoning redoubt build which also gets the 5% parry from ret!?

I have another question. Does 1 handed spec increase all dmg in classic, including conc and holy shield?

Nope. Just increases the damage from your white auto attacks, and your Seal if Righteousness when wearing a one handed weapon.

Regarding holy shield, the aggro range of something like a mc giant is about a second of running. You can proc the shield while running forward as soon as combat starts, getting the threat, and also block first hit plus have global cool down ready

So update on a MC I've done yesterday. This is my 2nd pug MC I've participated in. (Not actively trying to raid, mostly helping guildies at the moment but I basically got begged to help tank this).

The raid lead originally wanted me to MT but I opted into OTing since I never really played with the majority of the raid. Didn't want to scare anyone before raid even started.

Boss update:
Tanked all trash with 0 issue. Ontop of that I even tanked a Molten Destroyer and Giant at the same time from full to dead. Twice.

I MTed Lucifron
OTed Mag with 2nd on threat
OTed Gehn
OTed Garrx had 3 adds on me by the end. Picked up garr and a add when the MTed died and held onto them both until the MT was druid rezzed. Then went back to add tanking.

Cleansed baron (we had like 3 paladins..so yeah I helped out).

OTed Shaz which was really fun. Was able to sudo taunt shaz each teleport and drag him to the MT.

OTed Sulfuron and then MTed him when MT died. I was able to pick him up easily and tanked him with the last add on me.

OTed dogs on golemag.

Domo and rag Saturday.

Was very fun and made me confident in my ability to MT MC completly.

Was very fun and made me confident in my ability to MT MC completly.

Well done , i never doubt about your skills tho ;)

My whole issue is Holyfrog being Preacher preaching false info about Protection Paladin and therefore he is being called an expert of it...

I have never claimed to be an expert at playing Protection Paladin. Yes I think I have a good understanding of the spec, but there is always more to learn. My only goal has always be to provide people with good information and a reasonable expectation of how the build works.

You know there was a time when I looked at your videos in awe, thinking you actually knew what you were talking about. But as I started playing Paladin and learned more about the spec it became glaringly obvious that there were huges flaws in the build and how it functions compared to Warriors and Druids, something I have both played and have extensive tanking experience on (Warrior to 5 bosses in Naxx, and Druidtank to full AQ40)

As I wanted to know the reasoning behind your way of thinking I realized quickly that any attempt to logically and reasonably talk to you about the downsides and flaws of the spec and how to overcome them was met time and time again with nothing but denial and hostility. This thread has gone on for 26 pages now, and reading through it, it should be obvious to anyone that you are not interested trying to objectively look at the spec.

And how could you be? You never tanked as a Protection Paladin at level 60 back in Vanilla, which is what your entire self appointed position as an authority on Protection Paladins is based on. Your experience is entirely from private servers, and not even the most recent servers where the spec functions somwhat close to Classic. You played on servers where you could stack judgements and the skills scaled with attackpower. While I have no doubt that you played in Vanilla, warcraftrealms prove as much, you were never 60 for long. You hit level 60 right before Burning Crusade, and could not possibly have had the time to aquire any sort of experience in raiding in any way shape or form or know a lot of how the game actually functions.

On private servers you also always had your own raiding guild that you built from the ground up, where you could pick and choose the classes you wanted in the raid, and you could make the entire guild work around your spec. You think Protection is the best tank spec, because you never actually played with any other maintanks and you have no basis to compare the spec to. Any reasonable person would then think to themselves that they may not have the full picture, and then be bit more humble in how you approach this.

What really is sad is that myself and others have tried in the past to be allies with you, and to work together with you in bringing the spec to light. But you have had no interest in this and have instead been nothing but antagonistic and openly hostile to anyone who disagree with your way of thinking.

You have also been asked multiple times to post the screenshots you claim you have proving you raided as Protection back in 2006 but you repeatedly refuse to do so. The truth here is simply that you have built your entire persona on a fabrication that you had the experience back then, and you have been unable to back that up at every request, and your personal attacks are simply a way to redirect the conversation away from that fact. Unless you actually post these screenshots you claim you have, it is an undisputable fact that you never raided at level 60 back in 2006.

I would therefore ask you to please end this personal Vendetta against me. It's getting really tedious at this point.

I'd just end it at here and just post progress updates alongside me on your shenanigans. Pretty much all im doing now regarding here.

Outside that I just talk in DMs to avoid side tracking. Not even fun to shitpost anymore here hah.

And how could you be? You never tanked as a Protection Paladin at level 60 back in Vanilla, which is what your entire self appointed position as an authority on Protection Paladins is based on. Your experience is entirely from private servers, and not even the most recent servers where the spec functions somwhat close to Classic. You played on servers where you could stack judgements and the skills scaled with attackpower. While I have no doubt that you played in Vanilla, warcraftrealms prove as much, you were never 60 for long. You hit level 60 right before Burning Crusade, and could not possibly have had the time to aquire any sort of experience in raiding in any way shape or form or know a lot of how the game actually functions.

You see , none of the Raid Bosses i Maintanked in MC,ZG,AQ20 had such skill scaling with Attackpower and the Stacking Judges was in the same pservers where you and me did played.

And all the nonsense bullshits has been said there. Only because "Warcraftrealms told you".....

Really? I think you need to re investigate your IQ a bit for that....

Beside the fact that i gave screenshot from me playing WoW in 2005 and beside i provide you Video of me having the Game since 2005.... Sure Warcraftrealms told you i never been lvl 60 before TBC .... Like how ridiculous your claims are.. Even small kids aren't going to take you serious either.
You think Protection is the best tank spec, because you never actually played with any other maintanks and you have no basis to compare the spec to.

You have really problems with a needing to constantly lying all the time..... Beside your ignorance of the Video from me using Warrior Tank for Hakkar as perfect comparison to compare.
On private servers you also always had your own raiding guild that you built from the ground up, where you could pick and choose the classes you wanted in the raid, and you could make the entire guild work around your spec.

And that's what i do even in Classic , running and raid leading my own Guild.
The problem in your Video as you trying to claim yourself as Raid Leader , nobody can even hear you leading it, while on my Videos everyone can hear me leading the Raid.

What Min/Maxers do say : If you want to play Hybrid spec, make your own Guild. You right now have problems with me doing that , because it goes against your Min/Maxing agenda against Hybrids , where you blatantly lying and denigrate paladin providing noobish video of you playing it.
You think Protection is the best tank spec,

I had to cut this , because it shows how much you are desparated lying so much , obviously.
Here is a quote from my words vs your words : https://barrens.chat/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1655&start=50
I never said "Paladin is best Tank" , i always been telling that All Tanks are equal , but in diverse ways and do the same thing different way only.

You have problems so much with your own lies , you keep continuing to blatantly lie.
But yeah preachers do that, they repeat same lie 1000 times in order to become truth... That's exactly what you do all the time.
What really is sad is that myself and others have tried in the past to be allies with you

You never ever been an ally with me , neither you tried it at all.
All you did was Rant on me at Paladin Theorycraft Discord together with all your allies like Skarm,Theloras etc, only because i refused to accept the lies you were trying to propose in there abusing my name to prove your false denigrating propaganda against Protection Paladins.
You have also been asked multiple times to post the screenshots you claim you have proving you raided as Protection back in 2006 but you repeatedly refuse to do so. The truth here is simply that you have built your entire persona on a fabrication that you had the experience back then, and you have been unable to back that up at every request,

That's why you got even Video for that, but as always , it goes against your denigrating anti protection paladin propaganda and you decided to refuse it.

In b4 all your claims was :
This is an absolutely riddiculous claim that again you didnt provide a source for. 3-4x the damage is an EXTREME difference, and there's no way in hell that private servers got this so wrong.

Everyone can see who the private servers experience had and who is the private server hero.
Today everyone are witness of how 100% correct i was about it.
But yeah "preaching preaching preaching preaching" and "lying lying lying" is all you do.

What's worse than that , is :

In all of the Videos you have recorded , everyone can see what kind of noob protection paladin you are.
But you act like "old wise word" : "that hole isn't hole".
You simply can't accept that you are noob and you repeatingly (lying and preaching) denigrate the whole Class Spec undervaluing it compare to how much better it is.
Because you can't live by the fact that you have 0 clues how to play it.
In theory you are super hero (mainly because you know how to write in fluent english and creative text) , in practice you are super noob.

And how could you be? You never tanked as a Protection Paladin at level 60 back in Vanilla, which is what your entire self appointed position as an authority on Protection Paladins is based on. Your experience is entirely from private servers, and not even the most recent servers where the spec functions somwhat close to Classic. You played on servers where you could stack judgements and the skills scaled with attackpower. While I have no doubt that you played in Vanilla, warcraftrealms prove as much, you were never 60 for long. You hit level 60 right before Burning Crusade, and could not possibly have had the time to aquire any sort of experience in raiding in any way shape or form or know a lot of how the game actually functions.

You see , none of the Raid Bosses i Maintanked in MC,ZG,AQ20 had such skill scaling with Attackpower and the Stacking Judges was in the same pservers where you and me did played.

And all the nonsense bullshits has been said there. Only because "Warcraftrealms told you".....

Really? I think you need to re investigate your IQ a bit for that....

Beside the fact that i gave screenshot from me playing WoW in 2005 and beside i provide you Video of me having the Game since 2005.... Sure Warcraftrealms told you i never been lvl 60 before TBC .... Like how ridiculous your claims are.. Even small kids aren't going to take you serious either.
You think Protection is the best tank spec, because you never actually played with any other maintanks and you have no basis to compare the spec to.

You have really problems with a needing to constantly lying all the time..... Beside your ignorance of the Video from me using Warrior Tank for Hakkar as perfect comparison to compare.
On private servers you also always had your own raiding guild that you built from the ground up, where you could pick and choose the classes you wanted in the raid, and you could make the entire guild work around your spec.

And that's what i do even in Classic , running and raid leading my own Guild.
The problem in your Video as you trying to claim yourself as Raid Leader , nobody can even hear you leading it, while on my Videos everyone can hear me leading the Raid.

What Min/Maxers do say : If you want to play Hybrid spec, make your own Guild. You right now have problems with me doing that , because it goes against your Min/Maxing agenda against Hybrids , where you blatantly lying and denigrate paladin providing noobish video of you playing it.
You think Protection is the best tank spec,

I had to cut this , because it shows how much you are desparated lying so much , obviously.
Here is a quote from my words vs your words : https://barrens.chat/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1655&start=50
I never said "Paladin is best Tank" , i always been telling that All Tanks are equal , but in diverse ways and do the same thing different way only.

You have problems so much with your own lies , you keep continuing to blatantly lie.
But yeah preachers do that, they repeat same lie 1000 times in order to become truth... That's exactly what you do all the time.
What really is sad is that myself and others have tried in the past to be allies with you

You never ever been an ally with me , neither you tried it at all.
All you did was Rant on me at Paladin Theorycraft Discord together with all your allies like Skarm,Theloras etc, only because i refused to accept the lies you were trying to propose in there abusing my name to prove your false denigrating propaganda against Protection Paladins.
You have also been asked multiple times to post the screenshots you claim you have proving you raided as Protection back in 2006 but you repeatedly refuse to do so. The truth here is simply that you have built your entire persona on a fabrication that you had the experience back then, and you have been unable to back that up at every request,

That's why you got even Video for that, but as always , it goes against your denigrating anti protection paladin propaganda and you decided to refuse it.

In b4 all your claims was :
This is an absolutely riddiculous claim that again you didnt provide a source for. 3-4x the damage is an EXTREME difference, and there's no way in hell that private servers got this so wrong.

Everyone can see who the private servers experience had and who is the private server hero.
Today everyone are witness of how 100% correct i was about it.
But yeah "preaching preaching preaching preaching" and "lying lying lying" is all you do.

What's worse than that , is :

In all of the Videos you have recorded , everyone can see what kind of noob protection paladin you are.
But you act like "old wise word" : "that hole isn't hole".
You simply can't accept that you are noob and you repeatingly (lying and preaching) denigrate the whole Class Spec undervaluing it compare to how much better it is.
Because you can't live by the fact that you have 0 clues how to play it.
In theory you are super hero (mainly because you know how to write in fluent english and creative text) , in practice you are super noob.

Hey Duki, how's scarlet monastery going? You should update us when you actually raid in Classic! :lol:

Another update. Today we tried to switch to the other Garr strategy in order to save some time. Previous weeks we have cleared everything before going back to Garr in order to not lose world buffs, but I was fairly confident we could do Garr with just offtanking the adds and killing the boss first.

Went very well. I was a bit concerned with how much damage I would take. But since we dont have a Warrior tank with Force Reactive disk yet, I gave it a shot. Requested lay on hands before the pull and used armor potions. Worked like a charm, and we got the boss down easily.

Your enchanted thorium chest is cute, im working on mine. Gonna give the solo tank adds a shot myself next raid too :)

Killerduki rants and personal attacks are an eyesore and a deterrent in the discussion at hand. We don't need you waving your alleged previous experiences from either 15 years ago or from private servers that had either a few or many differences in how class mechanics behaved in an attempt to diminish the current tests and practices people are doing right /now/. We don't need you dismissing people's hard evidence in the form of videos, testing, and ongoing progression while not providing solid, concrete Classic Wow evidence either.

This is Classic and only current experience should be discussed and tested as they are one kinds of information we as a paladin community can use. Since it sounds like you apparently have alot of p.server experience, if you wish to provide side-by-side comparisons of what you experience on private servers with how things actually behave in Classic, whether it be a nerf or buff, please do so. Seal of Righteousness mechanics and properties, tier set behaviors and interactions with certain talents, difference in boss mechanics from P.server to classic, or things of that nature.

But attacking people just trying to share information and be objective on the concept of Paladin tanking and their experiences really isn't helping things. Be constructive, not destructive.

That aside, I would like to thank posters like Holyfrog and Caspus for posting all their experiences as Protection and hope to continue reading more of them in the near future! I am currently still leveling with this spec as my goal, learning the way of the light after playing a MT warrior from classic up to Mists/Cataclysm. I already know that it's definitely not the same and most likely harder than warrior, but it's a class concept that I am fond of in not just this game.