i didnt got time and havent played this game for past 3 weeks, especially that i already notified about ot earlier even.
This is usually referred to as feathering your nest. This essentially means that you will make excuses to justify failure before you have attempted the feat. People will do this because it allows them to completely relinquish responsibility for the outcome of an event. If you do end up tanking MC, woohoo, you achieved it! And if you dont, its because you just couldnt play enough... And when you finally DO tank content, you will be surrounded by people in better gear who can serve to carry you, allowing you to play a sub optimal spec during progression, even though it wont be progression for anyone else.
People who are un-confident or incapable will do mental gymnastics to account for their own short-comings. Perhaps you dont have time to play, and thats okay, but you are in no position to criticize someone who has put in the time and is raiding (holyfrog). You are still learning. You are still level 30. You have not earned the right to criticize his summary of paladin raid tanking, because thus far, you have never attended a raid in Classic WoW. Frog has demonstratively tanked content in Classic AND posted it on his youtube channel. He did it when it was relevant. You will not be touching any phase 1 content while it is relevant.
What are you trash talking bullshits?????
First of all YOU have no idea about my situation in IRL!
Second you find all excuses to trash talk when i even notified that i would be busy until october LONG before Classic release even!
What geared and overgeared are you trashtalking about???
You know receiving dmg from Boss does not relate to geared Group, but from your OWN Gear!
Geared DPS are harder to handle regarding THREAT, which again is on my benefit to prove you wrong even more!!
Not having time to play has nothing with skills or criticism and i can always chat using phone.. This is 21st century yo and you still living in dark ages as it seems...
In b4 you talking about me having no rights to criticise as lvl 30 , but what gives you rights to do it, when you have no fucking clue about the spec or you never played it in raids at all. Therefore you talk aboht rights of criticism...
Only because Holyfrog had a time (which i didn't got time until today) to play , only because Holyfrog got better PC performance (which i don't have due to low economy) to post and provide quality streams vs my poor 480/720 low fps streams , only because Holyfrog have fluent English (which i am not) , doesn't mean that he is better at something!
And then you speak like Holyfrog as "Real Voice of Prot Paladins" , when he on his 1st Ragnaros kill is Healer and NOT Tanking!
Stick to the facts before you end up mentally delusional (holyfrog words) like holyfrog.
Today Prot Paladins becomes Meta slowly , not like they used to be like in the Past.. ... This is how i changed the evolution regarding Prot Paladins , and ofc many experts came out (pretending as experts) today, mainly those who shitting on me and are claiming themselfs as best Paladin Tanks in world.... ..
Stick to the facts before you end up mentally delusional
Please this
Came to check prot paladin viability in raids, went out mind blown there is a guy who thinks he changed a meta by himself(been playing paladin for years and never heard of him)..when there isn't any meta and will never be where paladin is a viable choice for progression besides being the raid leader or having good connections, bears and warriors are better, I learned it and I'm really stuborn, so others can too.
In the end you do what you want obviously, paladins have a prot spec so it's cool other people use it and look good while doing it, this game is 100% explored to the point you can tank with a cloth wearer, but stating paladin tanking is slowly becoming meta....what a stretch.
I'm still confused after reading 23 pages of this, and feel like it's essentially a bunch of prot paladins saying "We can tank." and warriors saying "No, you can't".
I'm assuming the consensus should really be "Yes, prot paladins can tank. But warrior is ideal". No?
I dont think anyone has said Paladins cant tank. They for sure can tank nearly everything in the game, but you are right about them being worse at it than Warriors and Druids. And I say that as a Protection Paladin player myself.
Some have, especially on that weird zone that is reddit. But yeah, I think all 3 are just fine. Some more optimal than others.
I'm still confused after reading 23 pages of this, and feel like it's essentially a bunch of prot paladins saying "We can tank." and warriors saying "No, you can't".
I'm assuming the consensus should really be "Yes, prot paladins can tank. But warrior is ideal". No?
Yes and yes.
And I say that as a Protection Paladin player myself.
Protection Paladin player who does heal for Raid Bosses.... Sure you are...
Protection Paladin player who does heal for Raid Bosses.... Sure you are...
I dont see the issue with this. He plays a valuable spec while he gears for his sub optimal spec. When he has the appropriate gear to make prot viable he will swap over. At this time his guild or team will be adequately geared and experienced to accommodate the extra adversity that comes with running a prot paladin.
Hes just seems like a... good teammate. He isnt selfish.
And I say that as a Protection Paladin player myself.
Protection Paladin player who does heal for Raid Bosses.... Sure you are...
Quick check on your Youtube channel.
You played Shadowpriest most of your WoW years, why you title yourself a Protection paladin?
Or are we enslaved to a single specialiazation and cannot present data on different ones because sometimes, we play other things? Really sad argument.
Killerduki seems to like to antagonize for the sake of it. >.>
Are they not allowed to also play other specs?
Quick check on your Youtube channel.
You played Shadowpriest most of your WoW years, why you title yourself a Protection paladin?
Or are we enslaved to a single specialiazation and cannot present data on different ones because sometimes, we play other things? Really sad argument.
Killerduki seems to like to antagonize for the sake of it. >.>
Are they not allowed to also play other specs?
You are right , they are allowed to also play other specs either.
But seeing they preach and calling/called themselves an "Experts" of some spec , but therefore they never raided or did Main Tank as that spec on a Progression Run (by Progression Run , i mean the Guild who is currently Progressing , unrelated to the Gear group it has) .
Is beyond silly.
What's worse, they are poor with their skills , therefore they claim/preach and point out on the Spec as being poor, ignoring/refusing that it's THEM who lack of knowledge about it and NOT the Spec itself.
See just an example what Holyfrog does =
- Using lots of time Judgement of Wisdom and Seal of Righteousness on 3-5 mobs ,he then goes oom and preaching that paladins have mana issues.
- He is very slow on pulls and therefore he preach that Paladins have aggro issues.
- He pull without Holy Shield pre pull cast on Bosses (then he preach how terrible Paladins are with aggro when Pull happens).
- He uses Holy Shield on 3+ targets all the time ,even when surviving isn't an issue , then boom = oom.
- He again preach how Paladin is so terrible ignoring how terrible is to rely on Holy Shield regarding threat against 3+ targets if surviving isn't an issue ...
The way i work is Sow/JoW on 3+ mobs (jow depend on how long mob survive) , i extremely rare go oom or drink , keeping aggro fine, not spamming abilities when aggro is not an issue to not waste mana worthless and then i am not wasting time of the group at all , ready and go to next group.
Those are 2 different types of worlds.
Regarding Raids , waiting to see him actually begin to Main Tank , then i will let you know how far he lack with his knowledge... As he call himself "Expert" .
How those "Experts" coming today as "Bigger Experts" ?
They learned that Greater Blessings are bugged and do work with RF as increased threat making , bingo , they are best Prot Paladins in the world.
What happens when such bug get fixed?
I'll just go back to my normal rotation when kings gets nerfed personally (doubt it will).
Classic is a lot easier than private so regardless MTing will be easy.
I'm assuming the consensus should really be "Yes, prot paladins can tank. But warrior is ideal". No?
As is the case with these kind of debates, in my opinion Caperfin nails the core issue:
The topic of Viable and Optimal is a highly controversial topic as some people simply don't see the difference or mixed these words up and commonly interject their own misguided philosophy onto it. To put it simply, Optimal is the most efficient and foolproof solution to solve a problem that eliminates as many negative variables as possible and favors a more easy going route. Next, is Viable or commonly referred to as possible, which is often seen as the more challenging path to take but to many feels like a greater personal achievement.
I'll just go back to my normal rotation when kings gets nerfed personally (doubt it will).
Classic is a lot easier than private so regardless MTing will be easy.
It's not Kings only , i aggroed all mobs in low lvl dungeon by buffing 5 minutes blessing of wisdom either , which made me go like WTF .
I know, kings is just the lowest mana cost which is why we mention it the most.
Classic is a lot easier than private so regardless MTing will be easy.
That's what i am trying to tell to those noobs who preach and denigrate Paladins 24/24.
They still are living in Private Servers Dreams even today... Just Dream on and keep Dreaming.
Reality burning them .... Prot Paladins are now part of "Spell Cleave" , what's so special about it, is that such "spell cleave" is beyond min/maxers and pushing Rogues/Warriors DPS or TANKS off from their spots.
The Millenials favor us (Hybrids) more than ever before today.
Just enjoy when BWL release, feel the outcry of Rogues and Warriors who couldn't cope with the "Spell Cleave" .
Reality burning them .... Prot Paladins are now part of "Spell Cleave" , what's so special about it, is that such "spell cleave" is beyond min/maxers and pushing Rogues/Warriors DPS or TANKS off from their spots.
The Millenials favor us (Hybrids) more than ever before today.
Just enjoy when BWL release, feel the outcry of Rogues and Warriors who couldn't cope with the "Spell Cleave" .
What? Okay... SO first of all, good spell cleave teams that are min/maxing, dont run a tank. Secondly, warriors were the kingpin of aoe threat when demo was broken. So the good spell cleave teams that hit 60 in week 1-2, either didnt run a tank, or used a warrior. Outside of this, feral is optimal IF you are running a tank... But again, good spellcleaves do not run a tank.
Also, warriors can melee cleave... No prot paladin is pushing a warrior from their spot, because a warriors spot is on a melee cleave. I was on a melee cleave as a warrior, and being that I built my team, I wanted to be on a melee cleave because its far easier and more achievable than a spell cleave.
I'll just go back to my normal rotation when kings gets nerfed personally (doubt it will).
Classic is a lot easier than private so regardless MTing will be easy.
It's not Kings only , i aggroed all mobs in low lvl dungeon by buffing 5 minutes blessing of wisdom either , which made me go like WTF .
You are right. It not just Kings. Kings is just the most used one because it has the lowest mana cost out of all Blessings.
Ironically the only blessing which causes NO threat whatsoever is Wisdom, which you claim to have pulled aggro with. So now you are just making stuff up again like always :)
And I have to concede that I have yet to tank a raid in Classic. I just prefer to heal as thats how I can support my raid team to the largest degree right now. I am a team player and I will nearly always attempt to play in such a way that benefit the team the most. I am also raidleading, and being in the back as a healer lets me have a larger overview of whats happening on the board so I can do my job more effectively. If I do happen to be in a position where I get to tank, then I will jump on it, but until then Im staying as healer.
Reality burning them .... Prot Paladins are now part of "Spell Cleave" , what's so special about it, is that such "spell cleave" is beyond min/maxers and pushing Rogues/Warriors DPS or TANKS off from their spots.
The Millenials favor us (Hybrids) more than ever before today.
Just enjoy when BWL release, feel the outcry of Rogues and Warriors who couldn't cope with the "Spell Cleave" .
What? Okay... SO first of all, good spell cleave teams that are min/maxing, dont run a tank. Secondly, warriors were the kingpin of aoe threat when demo was broken. So the good spell cleave teams that hit 60 in week 1-2, either didnt run a tank, or used a warrior. Outside of this, feral is optimal IF you are running a tank... But again, good spellcleaves do not run a tank.
Also, warriors can melee cleave... No prot paladin is pushing a warrior from their spot, because a warriors spot is on a melee cleave. I was on a melee cleave as a warrior, and being that I built my team, I wanted to be on a melee cleave because its far easier and more achievable than a spell cleave.
You might hate it as much as you want, people today prefer to play more with skilled prot paladin than any sort of warrior or druid tank in 5 mans. This is part of the pushing off ways ... You just ignore to see it or either you are horde and have no clue about it.