However.... I am eagerly waiting to see what happens when @Holyfrog hits MC and hope to see him in a progressive raid team because this is probably one of the best representatives of this spec AND I would trust his assessment after he hits MC and has cleared the content.
You mean this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zklHbx6WWlM
As usual Frog, your assessment and honesty is appreciated. A true voice for prot paladins. I wish you the best on bindings!
We are still figuring out the specifics on Paladin tanking in Classic as well. A lot is different than Private servers, and a lot is the same. I dont really want to be making videos and give advice until I know exactly how it works myself.
That's interesting to read, in b4 you were an expert of Classic Paladin... Telling me how i am wrong and how i was wrong.
Reminder of your own words:
Who told you the general consensus is that Paladins do good threat? You are being just as dishonest as Duki. You flip it around and pretend as if I am the one that has to provide evidence when we have 15 years of raidlogs to look back on where not a single person can demonstrate Paladins produce the level of threat a Warrior can do
I suspect you simply never at any point played with good players. Because you made Protection Paladin work, you now think the spec is super good, but in reality you have never been around any Warrior tank who actually knew what they were doing, and your perspective is highly skewed because of it. Too bad you dont have the capacity to even consider that you might be wrong, about anything.
there's no way in hell that private servers got this so wrong.
And at the end , you ending up as this :
This has the potential to be producing quite significant threat,
In few days i am coming back in Game finally! After long work and busy irl stuffs. Time to rock and i am so impressed that i seen your Videos , especially how you (at begin) do your own (jow/sor for mobs) , but ending up on mine (jow/sow for mobs) ways in 5 mans as Tank.
Keep going .... Excited to see and then you will get impressed on my Videos that are going to pop up in near future.
Reminder :
My plan is to make examples of all Dungeons , but i am so busy until october so , it will take some time ;)
as god forbid there's enough misinformation out there already.
Amen....
What I'm curious though is how much threat we are generating from mama restore on judgment of wisdom. Non-natural mana restores should generate AoE threat.
If it generates threat that's another source for us we can use and probably we should be keeping it up on a mob we are hitting.
Edit:
OK I crunched some numbers for the Seal of Wisdom judging and if it indeed adds threat it looks like this:
@60:
Base Mana: 1512
Mana restore: 2% of base per hit
Seal of Wisdom doesn't restore 2% of base per hit.
Also 0.5 threat per 1 mana it is.
This didn't work on private servers, in Classic it does work properly.
I am currently running and raidleading my own MC pug so I can get Bindings, but I am currently healing as I want the pug to go smooth and efficient, and I dont really want to burden the pug by trying to tank as Protection.
Eventually I want to give tanking a shot, but not until the raid has better gear and we can offset some of the issues with the spec.
As usual Frog, your assessment and honesty is appreciated. A true voice for prot paladins. I wish you the best on bindings!
Thank you. I made my first attempt at a different kind of video today actually. It's not really a guide on Protection, but I did try to lay out my thought process while tanking a dungeon as I did it. Let me know what you think.
In few days i am coming back in Game finally! After long work and busy irl stuffs. Time to rock and i am so impressed that i seen your Videos , especially how you (at begin) do your own (jow/sor for mobs) , but ending up on mine (jow/sow for mobs) ways in 5 mans as Tank.
The thing is, the mana return from SoR and JoW is entirely static and does not scale in any way. We are currently at a point in the game where people dont really do a lot of damage, and the passive threat from Holy Shield and Retribution Aura is enough to hold aggro most of the time. I already notice the SoW threat isnt doing the job anymore when grouped with players wearing their prebis gear, and I have to switch over to the SoR playstyle that I used on private servers.
I also assume when you say my videos, that you are referring to the ones I did during leveling. Notice that we are doing pretty big pulls. Ofcourse I will use Seal of Wisdom when we do an AoE pull with 10+ mobs, because getting slightly more threat on one of these targets wont make any difference. But that is exactly the same thing as I have been doing on private servers as well, which you can see if you look up my Stratholme video from Northdale on my channel.
So I have no copied your playstyle. SoW was, and always will be the go-to seal for very large pulls, and it will only work as a single target threat seal on very low gear levels in Classic. With better gear you will have to switch to SoR if you want to produce enough threat to hold aggro on small groups or bosses.
and it will only work as a single target threat seal on very low gear levels in Classic.
And where did i wrote anything about using SoW for Single Target?!
I also assume when you say my videos, that you are referring to the ones I did during leveling. Notice that we are doing pretty big pulls. Ofcourse I will use Seal of Wisdom when we do an AoE pull with 10+ mobs, because getting slightly more threat on one of these targets wont make any difference. But that is exactly the same thing as I have been doing on private servers as well, which you can see if you look up my Stratholme video from Northdale on my channel.
You mean this :
Northdale video of you - 13:25
https://youtu.be/ALOPKT55wVQ?t=797
Versus
Classic video of you - 21:40
https://youtu.be/orquLt9Mj58?t=1312
Now we can see the difference between you on the Pserver priority using (most of the time) was SoR , where on Classic you were priority using (most of the time) was SoW , where you did partially SoR on certain spots only.
And all that is not even on 10+ mobs where you were priority SoW , but on 3+ mobs.
Because the Northdale video is on Naxx patch with DPS decked out in raid epics and the Classic video has the group wearing half greens. Did you even read my previous post?
On the Northdale video I very much do use SoW on the non elite undead packs, with occasional SoR to fish for Ironfoe procs on targets judged by JoW, because on Private servers SoR actually proc JoW which isnt happening on Classic. It's apples and oranges.
Because the Northdale video is on Naxx patch with DPS decked out in raid epics and the Classic video has the group wearing half greens. Did you even read my previous post?
On the Northdale video I very much do use SoW on the non elite undead packs, with occasional SoR to fish for Ironfoe procs on targets judged by JoW, because on Private servers SoR actually proc JoW which isnt happening on Classic. It's apples and oranges.
https://youtu.be/ALOPKT55wVQ?t=1070
17:54 = you still do SoW/JoW on DPS decked out in raid epics even there in Northdale , so the point of "DPS Gear" makes difference regarding 3+ mobs flush inside toilet.
Your statement regarding this has no sense at all.
Yes on Northdale jow did trigger 2x thanks to SoR and in Classic doesn't , but didn't do there the 0.5 threat per 1 mana by it, which in Classic it does!
Apples were still Oranges at one point.
Your statement regarding this has no sense at all.
How about you level past 30 and show me how its done instead? :)
Your statement regarding this has no sense at all.
How about you level past 30 and show me how its done instead? :)
Ill have to re quote you, because you enjoy to live in ignorance :
https://barrens.chat/viewtopic.php?p=29450#p29450
In few days i am coming back in Game finally! After long work and busy irl stuffs. Time to rock
Just reminder again :
here's no way in hell that private servers got this so wrong.
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/blizzard-you-nerfed-wow-classic/90770
Any tank can deal with Ragnaros almost without fire resist gear!!! Ragnaros is easy AF! It was harder on private servers!
Again reminder :
The reason I would like to see you banned, is at some point debating with someone who is deliberately misleading everyone and refusing to read a single source being given to them that disprove their claims is futile
It's really too bad the other thread got deleted, because you stood your ground on saying a week 1 Ragnaros was impossible while I said it would be happening. Now you are quoting some thread where someone says Rag is easy?
It must be hard getting so mixed up in your own bs you cant keep anything straight. So ill just stop replying. Debating with you is always a pointless waste of time.
Threat should no longer a issue for prot paladins.
I'll be raiding progression MC (Deviate Delight) here pretty soon as a full on tank. I'll have information/video in the next week or so.
It's really too bad the other thread got deleted, because you stood your ground on saying a week 1 Ragnaros was impossible while I said it would be happening. Now you are quoting some thread where someone says Rag is easy?
Sure it was done because of "ABUSING BUGS" ..
Like yeah , your claims were true, let all Abuse Bugs and clear all things on 1st week.
No wonder why Blizzard already did 5 hotfixes afterward to fix the very same "Abusing Bugs" and is not yet even over doing it still.
Tbh the spellcleave groups with demo shout bug pretty much bought them a lot of time. Still impressive though. I was still personally leaning on apes or someone to that caliber clearing it in 1 week or close to 1 week.
Sure it was done because of "ABUSING BUGS" ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxjFjYX1N9w
What bug abuse exactly? Pathological lying is a mental disorder. You keep stating things that are flat out untrue in face of overwhelming and clear evidence that what you say is complete and utter bullshit. And you actually dont realize people see through it. Nothing ever changes with you.
Edit: In case you are referring to the fire resist buff from UBRS. I know you already read this link. I linked it to you in the thread you made on the Battle.net forums, but we all know evidence is something you dont give a shit about.
https://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-customer-service/18158.htm
Using Mind Control to have a Scarshield Spellbinder buff your party with "Resist Fire" is not considered to be an exploitation of game mechanics, but rather the clever use of an "easter egg" of sorts deliberately implemented by our developers. My guild does it all the time before we take on Ragnaros. Buff to your heart's content. :)
What bug abuse exactly? Pathological lying is a mental disorder. You keep stating things that are flat out untrue in face of overwhelming and clear evidence that what you say is complete and utter bullshit. And you actually dont realize people see through it. Nothing ever changes with you.
What bug?
Abusing Leveling XP in Dungeons using 10 mans , Abusing Layers to it's own advantage to speed up the whole process of hitting week 1 very quick lvl 60 and being able to kill Ragnaros.
Constantly resetting Raids in same day (even after killing Bosses) abusing Layers to it's own advantage to get the gear from MC Bosses in order to clear it and then kill Ragnaros, even worse, the Reputation for Hydraxian thanks to resetting MC after killing Bosses!
Should i count more?!
Constantly resetting Raids in same day (even after killing Bosses) abusing Layers to it's own advantage to get the gear from MC Bosses in order to clear it and then kill Ragnaros.
This guy is actually dumb. Get some help Duki. Skarm, just to name an example was given a 7 day ban for resetting Gnomeregan with layering, and yet it doesnt strike you as odd that not a single member of APES were banned when layering MC would be a much more serious exploit?
Lies upon lies upon lies and upon lies.
Btw, APES leveled with 5 man parties nearly all the way to 60 and only started doing some ZF when everyone else were also doing it, because it would be dumb to choose to lose the race to 60 against Dreamstate by not using the most efficient leveling method. You are free to look up their vods and see for yourself.
Also your argument was that Ragnaros was too HARD, to be killed week 1. Which clearly wasnt the case. How you level to 60 have absolutely no bearing on your argument but you just keep moving the goalpost as always when your dumb stupid statements get called out as being dumb and stupid.
It's really fascinating how one person can be this delusional.
It's really too bad the other thread got deleted, because you stood your ground on saying a week 1 Ragnaros was impossible while I said it would be happening. Now you are quoting some thread where someone says Rag is easy?
I'm really sad that thread is gone. Its funny how much traction the anti 1-2 week clear threads were getting, yet when APES clears Rag, the celebration thread gets no attention... Everyone turned into phantoms. "What, huh, yea we knew it could be done, who cares?" Mhmmmm...
By the way, I'm hoping THIS thread stays alive forever.
It's really too bad the other thread got deleted, because you stood your ground on saying a week 1 Ragnaros was impossible while I said it would be happening. Now you are quoting some thread where someone says Rag is easy?
I'm really sad that thread is gone. Its funny how much traction the anti 1-2 week clear threads were getting, yet when APES clears Rag, the celebration thread gets no attention... Everyone turned into phantoms. "What, huh, yea we knew it could be done, who cares?" Mhmmmm...
By the way, I'm hoping THIS thread stays alive forever.
And to think, poor innocent Gauze, still a lvl 1 on this forum, accidentally started this thread with an innocent question that was answered on the first page.